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Looks Like I Might Skip Windows 8

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I wonder where I've heard this one before.

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Others wanted to know if it would be also possible to completely ignore the Metro UI and only see the traditional desktop.


Yeah, good question. Where's the option to completely remove all traces of Windows Live and Tablet fever so I can have a real interface? With like a physical keyboard and pointer? Like, this is almost as bad an idea as Microsoft Bob.

I'm not too too angry or worried here, it seems like for every good Windows operating system there's a bad one. I skipped Vista and stuck with Windows XP for many years, so I kind of expected out of patterns that I would stick with Windows 7 for many years over whatever Windows 8 was going to be. Microsoft always regains ground when they make one of the good OS versions so they end up getting really egotistical and start doing all sorts of crazy stuff. It's good to wait and let the market punch them in the face so they go back to improving an existing design.

Now deep down inside I think both operating systems will use the good old Windows NT core, but if the only difference between the two is that Windows 8 has a ton of annoying tablet garbage in the way, then there will simply be no reason to switch no matter how many Windows 8 exclusive things Microsoft invents. The first thing I do in Windows 7 is I make the windows look like Windows 2000, good old gray squares. It gives me more space and it isn't rendering all sorts of fancy effects. Abandoning the GUI that has been established for almost two decades in an OS known for getting actual work done for some gimmicky marketing ploy is probably going to be one of the worst mistakes Microsoft has made since Vista.

Windows 7 is a better example of how to improve an interface. The super taskbar where you can have drag-up menus, icon shortcuts that expand to taskbar entries, common program actions when hovering over the program, and the way you can arrange the system tray are all good ideas. If you hated any of these, you could just turn them off or on or whatever. It doesn't matter, it was still what Windows was supposed to be. I, for one, hate touching my screen. I spend so much time trying to keep it clean.

The more I hear about Windows 8 the less I want it. Perhaps they should start calling it Tablets instead.

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Creecher Icon

01 September 2011 - 04:23 PM
I have to agree with you, though I'll want to try W8 before I make my decision.

The aspect of a tablet like interface on a desktop just isn't appealing to me.
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Tarkenfire Icon

01 September 2011 - 06:55 PM
Well, the fact of the matter is that MS is more or less hedging the bets that the enterprise world and people who want to get actual work done will stick with W7, while the average "I want to internets" crowd and tablet markets will be sucked up by W8.

While I don't think this will be quite as...useless as say GNOME 3 is for getting actual work done, it's not gonna be pretty.

Ya know...the only OS/UI thing I've noticed that hasn't abandoned the desktop concept yet is OSX.
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spiceweasel Icon

02 September 2011 - 03:16 AM
Wow I agree with you so much, especially the win 2000 thing, before I had my 7 I had a hand me down win ME and I loved it. It took me awhile to get my win 7 to get the square icons and all but when I did it made things so easy to use and looked great, and that task bar thing just messes up the computer
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spiceweasel Icon

02 September 2011 - 03:19 AM
and for the tablet thing well, tablets are for n00bs but I prefer them to have their own n00b OS while the smart people get their own complex OS that way sites like dream in code wont get the "how do I get to my computer again"
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WolfCoder Icon

02 September 2011 - 06:11 AM

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had a hand me down win ME and I loved it.


.. What?
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hlx Icon

02 September 2011 - 06:24 AM
As much as a horribly despise Microsoft's new idea, and want to beat them with their own shoes, I do agree on one of their points.

This "Tablet" style OS has one large feature. The Walled-Garden approach. This is the same idea that Macintosh devices use with their programs. (each app essentially runs in it's own VM, limiting it's chances to escape and wreak havoc (malware?) on other things)

I am still fond of the traditional desktop, but I will have to learn Windows 8 as I fix computers for a living. My assumption is the desktop will just be an "app" and will never function the same way again. I also assume to actually FIX this thing, we will be dealing with powershell now.

Essentially, and this sounds rude, but the goal at Microsoft is to idiot-proof the computer. The easier it is for a symian grunt to pick up a computer and just start playing translates into more sales for MS. Plus, the sales and marketing team was not going to say "No thank you" to an app store that will generate them even more revenue.

As sad as it is to say, functionality takes a backseat, as machines are no longer designed to be functional, they are designed to be sold. Then, they are our problem.
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WolfCoder Icon

02 September 2011 - 07:09 AM

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This "Tablet" style OS has one large feature. The Walled-Garden approach. This is the same idea that Macintosh devices use with their programs. (each app essentially runs in it's own VM, limiting it's chances to escape and wreak havoc (malware?) on other things)


Security sandboxing has nothing to do with interfaces, and the Vista/7 versions of NT has user account control options which work fine for starting programs in minimal permission modes (I can't write to pretty much most of your disk or use lots of resources by default). All of this has nothing to do with what kind of interface you use.

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I also assume to actually FIX this thing, we will be dealing with powershell now.


I've been meaning to learn Powershell.

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As sad as it is to say, functionality takes a backseat, as machines are no longer designed to be functional, they are designed to be sold. Then, they are our problem.


I'm a die hard NT fan, but I also loved Linux back in the classic Ubuntu. I just pick up a copy of Debian these days so I can have a Linux with no nonsense.
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Curtis Rutland Icon

02 September 2011 - 07:43 AM

Tarkenfire, on 01 September 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

Ya know...the only OS/UI thing I've noticed that hasn't abandoned the desktop concept yet is OSX.


They're working on it. Apple's selling standalone trackpads for their desktops, they're using a heavily gesture-based interface, they've reversed scrolling to match their tablets, they've added an iPad-like "Launchpad" to OS X, etc...

Everyone in the industry is working to unify their experiences across all their platforms.

Frankly, I think everyone is overreacting. Windows 8 hasn't been officially previewed yet. Wait for BUILD at least before losing your shit over something like this.
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Sergio Tapia Icon

02 September 2011 - 08:21 AM
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE windows 8 RABBLE apple RABBLE
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WolfCoder Icon

02 September 2011 - 08:59 AM

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Frankly, I think everyone is overreacting. Windows 8 hasn't been officially previewed yet. Wait for BUILD at least before losing your shit over something like this.


Yeah, but if we don't generate backlash, then this junk is going to make it in to BUILD. If it's loud enough Microsoft will pull a "just kidding, lol".
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Munawwar Icon

02 September 2011 - 09:41 AM

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Having both of [the] user interfaces [work] together harmoniously is an important part of Windows 8.

I don't know how that's going to work. Basically what a desktop user expects of the interface is different from what a tablet user expects. It would be better to keep 2 different interfaces (and some touch-screen hardware detection or something). Anyway, before jumping to conclusions, I'd wait for the RC.
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EnvXOwner Icon

02 September 2011 - 06:09 PM
I think it would be nice if Windows 8 could detect if the monitor/display had touch capability. If it did, it will display the Windows Phone 7 styled desktop or whatever desktop they're planning on making. If the user is on a desktop or laptop, use a standard Windows user interface. If you wanted to use the other desktop then you could go into control panel and change it. That's how I feel. I may be switching to Ubuntu though so I don't care about Windows. I only use Windows to make gaming commentaries, if I choose to get an Xbox, I may be sacrificing quality, but I'll be able to have my true Linux machine.
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The Architect 2.0 Icon

02 September 2011 - 08:54 PM
i don't get it. why are you complaining exactly? get windows 8, just don't use metro, and you get any improvements that windows 8 made to the standard desktop. sounds like it couldn't get any better to me.

ps, the whole point of the 'metro' is so that microsoft can get the os onto tablets. use the better tablet interface when you can(don't even bother trying to tell me windows is a good touch-only OS), and when you need Word, just switch to the desktop, pull out a keyboard, and do your shit.
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cfsharp Icon

03 September 2011 - 08:30 AM
@The Architect 2.0 I am complaining about this because when I turn my computer on, I don't want to have to go through all the hassle to find a "Desktop" app and run it, I would much rather the desktop load on start up so that I can get to work. Touch screen and tablet computers make up an extremely small amount of computers sold, so I don't see any reason to make the interface "Touch-First." Hopefully there is a option to disregard the initial start screen on start up and just load the desktop...
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WolfCoder Icon

03 September 2011 - 09:14 AM
Yeah, cfsharp put it best. I don't want Windows to load up a ton of libraries I don't even want to use.
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The Architect 2.0 Icon

03 September 2011 - 11:17 AM

cfsharp, on 03 September 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

@The Architect 2.0 I am complaining about this because when I turn my computer on, I don't want to have to go through all the hassle to find a "Desktop" app and run it, I would much rather the desktop load on start up so that I can get to work. Touch screen and tablet computers make up an extremely small amount of computers sold, so I don't see any reason to make the interface "Touch-First." Hopefully there is a option to disregard the initial start screen on start up and just load the desktop...


what hassle? since it appears there might be two processes(one for metro and one for desktop), you might not have to even load up the metro ui. i'm just talking out of my ass right now, but it doesn't seem very hard to make these very natural settings. even if that doesn't happen. it would be one click to switch to desktop mode.

its not really touch-first. its touch-too.
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The Architect 2.0 Icon

03 September 2011 - 11:17 AM

cfsharp, on 03 September 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

@The Architect 2.0 I am complaining about this because when I turn my computer on, I don't want to have to go through all the hassle to find a "Desktop" app and run it, I would much rather the desktop load on start up so that I can get to work. Touch screen and tablet computers make up an extremely small amount of computers sold, so I don't see any reason to make the interface "Touch-First." Hopefully there is a option to disregard the initial start screen on start up and just load the desktop...


what hassle? since it appears there might be two processes(one for metro and one for desktop), you might not have to even load up the metro ui. i'm just talking out of my ass right now, but it doesn't seem very hard to make these very natural settings. even if that doesn't happen. it would be one click to switch to desktop mode.

its not really touch-first. its touch-too.
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WolfCoder Icon

04 September 2011 - 11:28 AM
Looks like Eddy Echo likes reading my blog.
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hlx Icon

06 September 2011 - 12:56 PM
@WolfCoder: I agree that the walled-garden approach has nothing to do with interfaces, I do not wish to have a crappy mobile OS on my desktop/laptop.

In all likelyhood, this is what will happen: Upon install, your system will detect if you have tablet (or maybe touchscreen) hardware, and push the metro UI if you do. If not, it will likely serve you a desktop.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, mine is that it won't be so bad, and Architect is right, it will probably be a quick switch to the desktop. Nobody likes change straight away.
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WolfCoder Icon

07 September 2011 - 03:16 PM
At least in Linux, I could just pick up Debian if I hate where Ubuntu is going (and I did) and it all works together. Windows NT has a linear generation so you can only go forwards and backward in time.
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AVReidy Icon

18 September 2011 - 04:58 PM
I'm really content with Windows 7. After trying Ubuntu, I quickly gained a lot of respect for Windows. If I recall correctly, you can easily switch from the Metro UI to the regular desktop.

Although I would rather see them build on Windows 7 and polish it to the point where it's clearly the best OS ever made, I think making Windows 8 for tablets is a good idea. As much as I don't want this to happen, I think we may be going into an age where tablets are the norm, and I would hate to see Microsoft fall behind because they stuck to making PC operating systems. If tablet computing takes off, at least they will be up there with Apple. And if it doesn't, they have the principles of Windows 7 to fall back upon.
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WolfCoder Icon

28 September 2011 - 05:50 PM

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I think we may be going into an age where tablets are the norm, and I would hate to see Microsoft fall behind because they stuck to making PC operating systems.


Remember the same people who think tablets are going to be the norm are the same chucklefucks who said those migraine-inducing 3D displays would be the norm too.

I think raising voices in opposition to these dumbed-down computers will be important. You thought Apple was bad these days, falling from its fun position as the hobbyist's computer years ago? You haven't seen anything yet.
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