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16 May, 2009 - 11:50 PM
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Well, I'm new to the python language for programming and i have no teacher. i am trying to learn on my own and it is kind of overwhelming. i just want to learn reading the language and stuff like that. something that could actually make it a little bit more understandable for me. doing the hello world exercise a hundred times just wont make me any better because i know how to do it but i dont understand the computations behind it. i want to go into programming for either computer protection or bots. either way, it doesnt matter to me. and i know this wont happen over night. if anyone could point me in the right direction, or give me a good tutorial video or something, it would be much obliged.

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well for example, i want to create some sort of antivirus material. or possiblly web pages. and i need the definition of every action i make for me to fully understand. if python had a dictionary, i would be past all of this. everything i read is all about theory. if i could, i want to make websites using this, or whatever is supposed to happen. please, i just need a dictionary or a glossary for python that i can use that tells me of what i do
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I am going to assume python is like perl in that when you download python it comes with a ton of documentation. All of the documentation that you want should be in your local install of python. That is the place to start.

But beware, dry descriptions of what operators and functions do is often confusing to beginners. What you need to do is start with some books and read them and as you gain understanding of the basics the explanations of what operators and functions do (and more) will become clear. This takes time. If you are self learning, give yourself a year or two to master the basics.
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Well, I'm new to the python language for programming and i have no teacher. i am trying to learn on my own and it is kind of overwhelming. i just want to learn reading the language and stuff like that. something that could actually make it a little bit more understandable for me. doing the hello world exercise a hundred times just wont make me any better because i know how to do it but i dont understand the computations behind it. i want to go into programming for either computer protection or bots. either way, it doesnt matter to me. and i know this wont happen over night. if anyone could point me in the right direction, or give me a good tutorial video or something, it would be much obliged.

thank you!


Good choice on a first language. Eric Raymond agrees:

http://catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#skills1

Pick up Learning Python by Mark Lutz. I learned so much that way. Still learning from that book.

Read this:

http://norvig.com/21-days.html

Basically read/write code. Read books. Download python programs and modify them to do what you want them to do. Take classes at colleges. Try to help new comers with easy questions once you have mastered the basics. Be prepared to give it a lot of your time. I never learned much from reading online tutorials. Like you said you wrote a hello world program and didn't understand the computations behind it. If you read books on python (aimed at beginners) you will gain a deeper understanding of those sorts of things and knowing how python actually works will help you solve problems which is what this is all about.
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My advice when learning a new language is to experiment. Python comes with an interactive terminal, so it really encourages experimentation. try using dir() to find out the members of an object or looking at the .__doc__ of different functions or objects.
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