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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:10 PM
There are always many developer/IT conferences going on in the US (and even in many places around the world). Some of them are very popular (like PDC or WWDC), some of them are less but there is always something interesting there for me.
Are you visiting such conferences? If yes, what conferences are you visiting? What's the reason you go there and do those meet your expectations?
For me, the last conference was one regarding informational security.
What about you? Share your thoughts and experiences.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:25 PM
I've attended quite a few Microsoft events, not just the product launches but the TS2 partner conferences and such. We are big into the Microsoft Server and SQL Server products at my work.
I've also attended the Cisco and Symantec events when they were in town.
I go to them to learn about the new products mainly, as they will normally have workshops and such focused around the new software or hardware. Networking with vendors can be important, I've gotten better contacts for product support because of it.
I've also attended the Cisco and Symantec events when they were in town.
I go to them to learn about the new products mainly, as they will normally have workshops and such focused around the new software or hardware. Networking with vendors can be important, I've gotten better contacts for product support because of it.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:29 PM
I really want to get to attent PDC. I was at a small local Microsoft developers conference (if it can be called so) when Visual Studio 2008 was launched and really enjoyed it as, same as Marko, it was very useful since there were workshops that demonstrated new technologies (I remember the LINQ one and that one impressed me).
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:45 PM
I'd like to but it is really hard to get these approved. It is hard enough to get training approved let alone a conference. My last 3 training request went out with my manager all excited and saying, "This really looks like a good thing, lets see if we can get a couple of developers to this!" -- and then it gets disapproved and we are "encouraged" to use the very (way out-of-date) online courses that the company payed for. I have no idea what they were thinking --- "Yea, these guy have been asleep since 1999, this stuff will be fresh and applicable to their jobs -- I mean MS Office 97 is a skill every developer needs!" -- then when we don't enthusiastically partake in the out of date training they are all offended. Ask for training on JQuery, GWT, Spring, Mobile development, and other tools that our customers would like to see and use -- well that is just not acceptable.
but I digress...
My organization has occasional conferences which I like to attend. I suppose I should have counted these (which I didn't) but these are the only ones I get to go to. I enjoy them so long as they don't interfere with a project.
but I digress...
My organization has occasional conferences which I like to attend. I suppose I should have counted these (which I didn't) but these are the only ones I get to go to. I enjoy them so long as they don't interfere with a project.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:47 PM
NickDMax, on 2 Jul, 2009 - 04:45 PM, said:
I'd like to but it is really hard to get these approved. It is hard enough to get training approved let alone a conference. My last 3 training request went out with my manager all excited and saying, "This really looks like a good thing, lets see if we can get a couple of developers to this!" -- and then it gets disapproved and we are "encouraged" to use the very (way out-of-date) online courses that the company payed for. I have no idea what they were thinking --- "Yea, these guy have been asleep since 1999, this stuff will be fresh and applicable to their jobs -- I mean MS Office 97 is a skill every developer needs!" -- then when we don't enthusiastically partake in the out of date training they are all offended. Ask for training on JQuery, GWT, Spring, Mobile development, and other tools that our customers would like to see and use -- well that is just not acceptable.
but I digress...
My organization has occasional conferences which I like to attend. I suppose I should have counted these (which I didn't) but these are the only ones I get to go to. I enjoy them so long as they don't interfere with a project.
but I digress...
My organization has occasional conferences which I like to attend. I suppose I should have counted these (which I didn't) but these are the only ones I get to go to. I enjoy them so long as they don't interfere with a project.
Yeah most of our stuff is kind of out of date - I tried a course in XML and it talked about Netscape as a major player in the browser market. We do get some fairly recent stuff for in-house courses, but it's usually a sales pitch more than educational.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:01 PM
@Dantheman -- I think you miss the point. The idea of the conferences is not to get information that is readily available, but to get information on the directions of technology, to get ideas of what innovations are on going, to connect with other developers and talk about what could be. To inspire connections. To get people talking. To make people in different areas accessible to one another.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:04 PM
NickDMax, on 2 Jul, 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:
@Dantheman -- I think you miss the point. The idea of the conferences is not to get information that is readily available, but to get information on the directions of technology, to get ideas of what innovations are on going, to connect with other developers and talk about what could be. To inspire connections. To get people talking. To make people in different areas accessible to one another.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
Bah.. check the profile - professional student!
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:09 PM
NickDMax, on 2 Jul, 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:
@Dantheman -- I think you miss the point. The idea of the conferences is not to get information that is readily available, but to get information on the directions of technology, to get ideas of what innovations are on going, to connect with other developers and talk about what could be. To inspire connections. To get people talking. To make people in different areas accessible to one another.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
Of course... there is also the sales nature -- but as a developer you should just ignore all of that and let the sales dicks all go on feeling like maybe they will get to buy a Porsche this year.
Yea, but my point was that I need not bother where the technology is headed. This stuff is important for people who are already in the biz. I'm just a student. I learn the timeless stuff (i.e. theoretical foundations) that will always be there. So I'd rather analyze the WSClock algorithm than look at what new stuff is out there.
@Modi: Exactly
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:33 PM
When I was a student I was interested in the future... I mean when you get out of school don't you want to be able to hit the ground running?
I mean we hire students to get "young blood" -- to get a fire and thrust for innovation. Most of the web's recent moments were done by students. We are looking for students who are in touch with the current trends and can help us feel out what might be the future trends.
Of course as a student I wouldn't expect you to go to conferences (who wants to pay for those things!) but I would expect you to be interested in the future, in innovation... I have people who know all the old stuff I need people with new ideas, new points of view.
entry level developer who is only classically trained == old developer with useless experience.
Entry level developer with ideas and passion == potential innovations and new perspectives.
I mean we hire students to get "young blood" -- to get a fire and thrust for innovation. Most of the web's recent moments were done by students. We are looking for students who are in touch with the current trends and can help us feel out what might be the future trends.
Of course as a student I wouldn't expect you to go to conferences (who wants to pay for those things!) but I would expect you to be interested in the future, in innovation... I have people who know all the old stuff I need people with new ideas, new points of view.
entry level developer who is only classically trained == old developer with useless experience.
Entry level developer with ideas and passion == potential innovations and new perspectives.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:39 PM
I like to attend conferences when I get the chance. They are few and far between and sometimes to expensive, but if the price is right I am there.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:47 PM
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Yea, but my point was that I need not bother where the technology is headed. This stuff is important for people who are already in the biz. I'm just a student. I learn the timeless stuff (i.e. theoretical foundations) that will always be there. So I'd rather analyze the WSClock algorithm than look at what new stuff is out there.
Sometimes you also need to know where technology is headed so you know where to go. Just my opinion, but theory needs applied knowledge too. It is one thing to know how something is supposed to be and completely other when you see how it is. Conferences give you the scoop on where the technology is going and how can you be prepared for those specific innovations.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 02:25 PM
NickDMax, on 2 Jul, 2009 - 01:33 PM, said:
entry level developer who is only classically trained == old developer with useless experience.
Computational linear algebra, complexity theory, and combinatorial optimization is a useless experience?
Sorry, but without them the Computer Science would be at a stand-still. You may have as many innovative ideas as you want, but they mean absolutely nothing if you can't realize them. Innovative ideas and passion will always be there, with or without the conferences.If all you have is an entry developer who hasn't been "classically trained", then all you have is a codemonkey, a noob who can't do anything other than using a canned code. In that case, his innovative ideas won't do you any good.
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Sometimes you also need to know where technology is headed so you know where to go.
Well, it is headed in so many different directions that it is hard to keep up with everything. What might be hot today can be absolutely useless by the time I will be looking for a job. If any technology is worth knowing about, I will surely hear about it on the Intenets. Then, all the info I need to know is 1 Wikipedia search away...
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Just my opinion, but theory needs applied knowledge too. It is one thing to know how something is supposed to be and completely other when you see how it is.
Of course. I'm not studying just the theory. I do apply it. Be it homework assignment or a group project. And studying real-world projects like Linux kernel gives me a somewhat decent understanding of how things are done out there.
I simply don't see any need for going to any conferences until I'm already in the biz.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:03 PM
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Computational linear algebra, complexity theory, and combinatorial optimization is a useless experience? rolleyes.gif Sorry, but without them the Computer Science would be at a stand-still. You may have as many innovative ideas as you want, but they mean absolutely nothing if you can't realize them. Innovative ideas and passion will always be there, with or without the conferences.
As a Mathematics major I hate to admit it but yea... pretty useless. I mean 90% of the developers in the world never use any of this. There is very little need for it in the day-to-day development. But, you do have a good point in that they are very powerful fields of study that lead to much deeper innovations that something like Napster or Youtube.
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If all you have is an entry developer who hasn't been "classically trained", then all you have is a codemonkey, a noob who can't do anything other than using a canned code. In that case, his innovative ideas won't do you any good.
That is what I meant by "useless experience" -- without showing some interest in innovation being a master of all of the classic algorithms is not a lot of help. Who cares, I don't. I want someone who knows how to look the damn things up, and can APPLY knowledge in new directions. The past it has been done and we can look it up.
Programming is about DOING -- its about the living world of software, not about the dead cold world of algorithmic analysis and design -- these are important, they are the scaffolding from which we reach and the MUST be firmly constructed -- but programming is about implementing practical and usable software.
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Well, it is headed in so many different directions that it is hard to keep up with everything.
It is not the point to keep up on every direction. Even if you could, it would result in information overload and would be more or less useless. The idea is to pick up ideas, to notice paths though the chaos. To see when two simple and seemingly unrelated ideas actually go together. Its about sorting though the noise and finding the rhythms that are unseen by the rest of us.
Most human innovation starts with noticing that someone else missed something. How can you see what people have missed if you keep your nose in the book.
Trust me, I am a major advocate of academics but I also think that you have to make it live within the context of the times you are in.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:09 PM
I chose, "No, don't see a reason to." That's not entirely true, but it's closest.
"Conference" can cover a range of activity. Many offer short presentations in a classroom atmosphere that can be informative. However, one the whole, the offerings are usually sales pitches in various guises.
On a possitive side, they can give you a good idea of the tides of the industry. This is good for the people who make purchasing decisions. Or, if you're a project manager trying to figure out what technology to commit to for the next project. However, it's really not overly help for the developer; it's generally more about exposure than anything remotely educational.
These things are entertaining and can be a nice break from work. Microsoft, in particular, always puts on a good show. I still have a Windows 2003 Server slinky on my desk.
@NickDMax: Completely agree with the online course assessment. CBT is sales code for Clever Business Trick. It's pitched as a the low cost, value packed alternative to actual training. You can take as many as you like, as often as you like; what a deal. They are all totally worthless and management buy this snake oil so they don't have to pay the big bucks for the real deal.
"Conference" can cover a range of activity. Many offer short presentations in a classroom atmosphere that can be informative. However, one the whole, the offerings are usually sales pitches in various guises.
On a possitive side, they can give you a good idea of the tides of the industry. This is good for the people who make purchasing decisions. Or, if you're a project manager trying to figure out what technology to commit to for the next project. However, it's really not overly help for the developer; it's generally more about exposure than anything remotely educational.
These things are entertaining and can be a nice break from work. Microsoft, in particular, always puts on a good show. I still have a Windows 2003 Server slinky on my desk.
@NickDMax: Completely agree with the online course assessment. CBT is sales code for Clever Business Trick. It's pitched as a the low cost, value packed alternative to actual training. You can take as many as you like, as often as you like; what a deal. They are all totally worthless and management buy this snake oil so they don't have to pay the big bucks for the real deal.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:59 PM
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@NickDMax: Completely agree with the online course assessment. CBT is sales code for Clever Business Trick. It's pitched as a the low cost, value packed alternative to actual training. You can take as many as you like, as often as you like; what a deal. They are all totally worthless and management buy this snake oil so they don't have to pay the big bucks for the real deal.
I know, but it sucks that I can gleen more useful information from tutorials written by 16 year old high school students that I can from the professionally made training that they buy for us.
Basically everything I know about Ajax/JQuery/GWT etc. I have learned from tutorials.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 01:40 AM
To me, seminars and conferences are free food and networking. There's always somebody who will gladly hand out business cards, even if you're not asking for them. Unfortunately, they are usually not really a means to an end, but rather somebody like you looking for something else. You could even call it a sausage fest.
So, if your company sends you to these, a lot, it could be they are hoping you'll find a job and move on.
So, if your company sends you to these, a lot, it could be they are hoping you'll find a job and move on.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 08:30 AM
We'll be hosting a technology conference in England early next year, primarily to bring british developers together and discuss upcoming technologies in the web / software development world.
We'll also be inviting several of our clients to release technologies (new software services, hosting functionality, etc) that we've been working on for a long time that may benefit them in the long run, as well as selling some of our products.
It's also a chance for other companies to blab on a podium about what they do, and any "exciting" news they may have for the IT world, or a chance to recruit.
We'll also be inviting several of our clients to release technologies (new software services, hosting functionality, etc) that we've been working on for a long time that may benefit them in the long run, as well as selling some of our products.
It's also a chance for other companies to blab on a podium about what they do, and any "exciting" news they may have for the IT world, or a chance to recruit.
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 02:19 AM
Did anyone here ever attend Microsoft's events? I remember when I first got a copy of MSDN Magazine in late 1999, there was an article about the TechNet event and it was rated as one of the most interesting tech/software events at that time (in the US and maybe outside US). I am eager to attend something like PDC, but would also like to hear the feedback of people who visited the event.
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