[Core]

Many of the web developers expected it and now HTML 5 is officially released. HTML 5 introduces some new markup elements such as <nav>, <audio>, <canvas>, <video> and <footer>. Its new functionality will also facilitate the development of RIA (Rich Internet Applications) through several multimedia interfaces.

Detailed specifications here.

[Nykc]

Just great, now I need to rewrite half of my f-ing book.

Actually this is good news, now all we need is better browser support and the world will be a better place.

[BetaWar]

It is nice. I just wish they had built in the file drag and drop like Google tried to get them to. That would have been really nice.

[noorahmad]

old browsers supports these new tags?

[Core]

Not every new browser supports it yet so I highly doubt older browser support HTML 5 at this time.

[firebolt]

Ahh.. Very nice. Hopefully old browsers will be phased out so the new HTML can function in every browser.

[Nykc]

Well since the world is moving towards XML - XHTML is pretty much defacto standard at this point, however as long as you use HTML as it is intended - for displaying text ONLY!!

Leave the design & layout to CSS you won't have these issues since the browser that don't support the DTD will default into quirks mode and they don't reap the benefits of the page the way it was intended to look.

Of course CSS isn't 100% supported by older browsers either. I actually dropped support all together for IE6 - as Microsoft is in the process of doing the same since IE8 is official now.

[crcapps]

It's hardly a mere markup language anymore. Before, I was scoffing at it and keeping my fingers crossed for XHTML 2.0, but the XHTML5 serialization looks pretty nice.

[baavgai]

Nykc, on 9 Jul, 2009 - 07:59 AM, said:

XHTML is pretty much defacto standard at this point, however as long as you use HTML as it is intended - for displaying text ONLY!!

Dude, you totally missed the memo!

Quote

XHTML 2 Working Group Expected to Stop Work End of 2009, W3C to Increase Resources on HTML 5

2009-07-02: Today the Director announces that when the XHTML 2 Working Group charter expires as scheduled at the end of 2009, the charter will not be renewed. By doing so, and by increasing resources in the HTML Working Group, W3C hopes to accelerate the progress of HTML 5 and clarify W3C's position regarding the future of HTML. A FAQ answers questions about the future of deliverables of the XHTML 2 Working Group, and the status of various discussions related to HTML. Learn more about the HTML Activity.
-- http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item119

I agree, however. XML is ubiquitous. However, so is writing crappy HTML. Worse, and more to blame, browsers ( IE *cough* ) that support the crap. You see a lot of XHTML transitional, but strict is depressingly rare. To some extent, XHTML is an adoption failure. Even those that claim compliance often break it anyway. The HTML 5 spec does most of what XHTML intended. Maybe now it will stick. Well, if any browser bothers to comply to it.

[Nykc]

Holy shit did I miss that memo. I really need to rewrite the XHTML chapter.

Son of a......

Thanks for the heads up though lol.

That's the thing - are the browsers going to comply? Or are we going to have to write hacks for every fricking browser (hint hint IE)

edit - here is a nice quick reference guide of the new markup.
http://www.veign.com...html5-guide.php

This post has been edited by Nykc: 09 July 2009 - 09:38 AM

[RudiVisser]

I don't think I'd ever work with HTML5 over XHTML1.1, or XHTML 2 if it actually becomes supported. HTML always seems to me to be a nasty un-semantic language, do they require tags to be closed now (such as img/br/li, etc.) or is that still a complete mess?

[Nykc]

I dont think I will ever stop closing my tags.

<li></li>
<br />
<img />

This is the W3C we are talking about, I don't think they would encourage us to start adapting to XHTML standards and then strip all ideas to resort to the failure that was known as Netscape 4 & IE 5/6

[RudiVisser]

Well the problem with closing your tags in a HTML(4) environment is that it doesn't validate, I'm just wondering if HTML5 is more like HTML4 than XHTML, if so, I'll never use it as I previously mentioned.

This post has been edited by MageUK: 09 July 2009 - 12:55 PM

[Nykc]

WHY?

Why does Internet Explorer have to dick up the entire world wide web? Seriously - after 8 years of developing websites I have come to the conclusion IE needs to just fold as a browser. Let the banks and governments use that shitty browser all they want, but keep John Q. Public away.

So just for shits and giggles I was looking up some references on the new <canvas> tag. Came across a neat little tutorial and decided to give it a shot. This code has been successfully tested and executed in:
Firefox 3.0.11
Safari 4
Chrome
Opera 9
IE 8

Anyone wanna guess the only browser this code did not render in?

<html>
  <head>
	<title>Rectangles Using HTML 5 Canvas Tag</title>
	<script type="application/x-javascript">
	  function draw(){
		var canvas = document.getElementById('canvas');
		if (canvas.getContext){
		  var ctx = canvas.getContext('2d');
		  
		  ctx.fillStyle = "rgb(200,0,0)";
		  ctx.fillRect (10,10,55,50);
		  
		  ctx.fillStyle = "rgba(0, 0, 200, 0.5)";
		  ctx.fillRect (30, 30, 55, 50);
		  
		}
	  }
	</script>
	<style type="text/css">
	  canvas { border: 1px dashed black; }
	</style>
  </head>
  <body onload="draw();">
	<canvas id="canvas" width="150" height="150"></canvas>
  </body>
</html>

</rant>

This post has been edited by Nykc: 10 July 2009 - 10:22 AM

[RudiVisser]

Quick Q as to why IE8 would render unreleased (at the time) standards when they're focusing on getting old ones correct?