Why both evolution and creation are false

A logical look at both sides

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Why both evolution and creation are false

Post icon  Posted 26 November 2009 - 10:59 AM

This topic is marked as "Advanced" because 1) it's going to make everybody angry and requires a great deal of skill to keep your temper under control, and 2) the "Advanced" button is red, and I think that's the appropriate color.

Without further adieu, here is the thesis of my argument:

Creationism is based around the idea that there is a god (any god) who intentionally created the universe, the galaxies, and subsequently, the earth, life sustaining conditions, and then more and more advanced forms of life, before he became bored and created us. This can instantly be proven false in two ways: First, if this god had already made a universe, planets, suns, then he had the power to make whatever he wanted, and he would not have wanted to make us. Second, if he had the power to make all these things and wanted to make us, then he had the power to make us properly and somehow we still ended up like this.

Following in this line of thought, a supreme being who had made 1) the universe, 2) the laws of physics to govern it, 3) life and a system by which it could survive in a place where it could survive, does not seem like the kind of supreme being that is going to pick favorites, and is certainly not going to pick the ones who continually claim to be picked by him- between blowing themselves up, bombing abortion clinics, extracting gunpoint confessions from generally confused victims, etc- this is not the work of any god's chosen people. And so, from the evidence presented here, there must be no god.


Evolution is equally fun. The two most central ideas of evolution are the idea of natural selection (where the weak or dysfunctional mutations are not able to survive) and the idea of adaptation (where one generation is slightly better adapted to its environment than the generation before it, and the generation after will be more adapted still). Both of these are supported by strong evidence, however, proof of their incoherence is shown most clearly with the people who most boldly profess to believe in them.

Let us examine for a moment the average evolutionist: Odds are that he is slightly educated, probably with at least some college or a bachelor's degree (we are not considering children here, and so anybody under 18 is not being included in this- sorry, high school kids), holds dear the ideas of freedom of expression; Here is also a person that does not see a need for or a rational justification for violence, and so this is also a person who is much less likely to consider it anything but a privilege to own a gun (not a right, not a necessity, but a privilege). Last but not least, here is a person who, by his actions and by his words, disassociates himself with those who 'have invisible friends'- who, coincidentally, are the ones who are much more likely to kill or die for an idea. To put it frankly, unarmed evolutionists (intentionally or otherwise) piss off creationists, who are usually armed and very interested in winning the argument, because they have to do it for their invisible friend. This, as you can imagine, is *not*, I repeat, *not* a survival trait. Evolutionists demonstrate, in greater and greater degrees as time passes, that evolution cannot be true, because if it were, there would be no evolutionists left.

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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 11:46 AM

Did you miss the no trolling rule? Or was this a serious attempt at disproving anything?
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 12:01 PM

I lol'd.
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 12:51 PM

View PostKYA, on 26 Nov, 2009 - 09:31 PM, said:

I lol'd.

Just like me :D
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 05:16 PM

View PostAnarion, on 26 Nov, 2009 - 11:51 AM, said:

View PostKYA, on 26 Nov, 2009 - 09:31 PM, said:

I lol'd.

Just like me :D


I tried to lol, but the whole thing was too idiotic to lol at.
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 05:23 PM

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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 05:40 PM

I knew I could count on Baavgai to post win. :)
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 10:53 PM

...ummmm
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 26 November 2009 - 11:05 PM

if both are false, where/what is the third option?

Also, lol, to true, to true.

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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 04:09 PM

I must say that the part about evolutionists was stupid.
i think that is the only word to describe it.
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 04:33 PM

It doesn't sound like the OP knows anything about Evolution.
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 08:16 PM

Take this with a grain of salt, please. I'm not revealing any of my opinions about either, simply poking fun at both.
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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 08:37 PM

... with a grain of salt and a whole tank of fail.

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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 09:23 PM

I got a few lol's, that was the intent, and then everybody started taking this seriously. I somewhat suspect the fail was shipped separately.

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Re: Why both evolution and creation are false

Posted 27 November 2009 - 10:22 PM

That's right. Pretend you posted a joke thread all along... Yeah...
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