Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

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Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Post icon  Posted 07 December 2009 - 03:34 PM

I have a question for those who believe in heaven/hell.

Imagine that a kid sees an apple:
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He now knows what apples look like.

Imagine that the kid now dies:
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And gets buried:
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Do you agree or disagree: His brain will decompose.
Do you agree or disagree: His neurons will no longer function.
Do you agree or disagree: His memory will be wiped.
Do you agree or disagree: He will no longer know what an apple looks like.

How the [bleep] will he know what an apple looks like once his brain has decomposed and his soul goes to heaven/hell?
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Can a soul store massive amounts of data? Keep in mind that it's not made of m-a-t-t-e-r.
Conclusion: When and if we get to heaven/hell, all of out brains will be completely wiped of data - we will no longer know what apples look like... If we no longer have any memory of our past life left, then what is the point for god giving us a reward/punishment? Therefore, there might not be a possibility of an afterlife existing.

Either no after life exists or god has a massive database in which he store's each persons thoughts - whenever a person learns something new, his brain syncs itself with God's database.
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And then the soul merely carries an identification number representing the identity of the person's it is, so it can go to heaven and know which entry in the database to import. Lol how would the number be stored? High and low levels of energy?
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Or have a successfully convinced you to believe there is no heaven/hell?
What do you think? :P

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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 03:49 PM

What the fuck...?
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 03:51 PM

I think that you are making the mistake of humanizing God and his creation. God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts not our thoughts. This is flawed because you are assuming that our limited knowledge of the universe is its extent. You assume that God must follow the same rules that we must. He created the universe, and so is not bound by it.
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 03:52 PM

So because you don't know if you will recognize an apple in your afterlife, there is no God? That's your argument?


I'll let you draw a crappy picture of a straw man.


Take the same baby, same DNA, et al, same "beginning" and let it grow up in two radically different environments. Result? Different people. People are the sum of their experiences. Thus your memories are directly tied to who you are, your "soul" if you will.

Approaching the human brain from a strict computer standpoint will result in failure. There was an interesting study (if I can find the link I'll be happy to share) where they hypothesized that human memories are stored in time rather then memory location. i.e. we access memories by their contents not their location in our brain "Array". So I guess our brain/memories are like Lua, Python, and functional languages.

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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 04:06 PM

Good Post KYA, took most of my words.

But Leisure, do you honestly think a few crappy paint drawings and a
lame story about a boy and his apple will change someones belief/religion? As KYA and Gorian said, the memory of God and our 'soul' is not limited, as KYA used in analogy to a computer. A person's physical state of well being does not have an impact on their soul, or memory for that matter. It is also said, that all violence, chaos, etc. resides in Hell, and only the good in Heaven, so you would not pay attention to the bad memories, only the good [nothing against apples].

A person's physical state does not determine their spiritual state.


EDIT: After re-reading your post, I realized that you compared God to a Database. Phail.

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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 04:18 PM

You can't counter religion with logic; it's a non-starter. Religion, by definiton, is illogical. The question of whether memories are stored in the brain has no meaning to someone who believes in magic - it's magic, that's all there is to it.
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:24 PM

View Postmoopet, on 7 Dec, 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

You can't counter religion with logic; it's a non-starter. Religion, by definiton, is illogical. The question of whether memories are stored in the brain has no meaning to someone who believes in magic - it's magic, that's all there is to it.


Religion, up to a point, is logical. After the clear line, it's illogical. This has been said by many theoreticians, scientists and apologists. Trying to make GOD logical is what's illogical. Logic can take you up to a point of genesis/creation, but only illogical jumps can take you to assuming that if something did make us it had to be A) intelligent and/or B ) A being.

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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:26 PM

I didn't read anything that you typed, but rather just looked at the photos.

I would strongly advise using the Aa text tool in MSPaint when working on your next masterpiece.

Also, why bother even posting a question if you already provide your own conclusion? That's really close minded :)
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 09:05 PM

AAAAWWWWWWW

Did a wikkle baby get spanked by his parents when he didn't want to go to church?

Get over it.
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 09:22 PM

I think we can all agree that is God had a database he'd use Oracle. Am I right?
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 09:24 PM

View PostKYA, on 7 Dec, 2009 - 08:22 PM, said:

I think we can all agree that is God had a database he'd use Oracle. Am I right?


We already know it's not a MSSQL database, otherwise we'd all be running around with Null parts and God would have to reset the world every 20 minutes.
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 09:28 PM

hahah null parts


Johnny don't go playing with your null parts now!
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 07 December 2009 - 09:41 PM

@KYA +1
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:44 AM

View PostWolfCoder, on 7 Dec, 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

What the fuck...?


qft, i don't think this can be answered :blink:
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Re: Heaven/Hell believers - what do you think happens to our memory?

Posted 19 December 2009 - 08:17 PM

I believe that our brains are just "portholes" or "connectors" to our "minds". Our minds hold all the information, but our minds are invisible and connected to the soul. Your brain just lets your body communicate with your mind.
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