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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 11:43 AM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 01:33 PM, said:

Raynes you seem to hold it against a person if they support a company, is this because of some insecurity on your part, you have to put down others in order to feel better about yourself?

Sorry but if this was something Microsoft did with Bing, I'm pretty sure we would have seen no such post from you.

I fail to see why people make such a big deal about things like Google tying search history to a browser cookie. If you're really that concerned about privacy you shouldn't be using Facebook...
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 11:55 AM

Facebook has nothing to do with search histories. What if you were looking up hardcore porn or std info or any other reletively private searches and a significant other/reletive gets on to search for something and sees all your searches on there? I'd be embarassed. I wouldn't care who did it, I'm still pissed. I actually noticed this this weekend and was like "wtf?!" Why do we have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get around something someone probably shouldn't be doing in the first place?! I personally believe they should've prompted us if we wanted to participate first before doing it, or just not do it for the general public without Google accounts! -___-

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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:08 PM

View PostNeoTifa, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

Facebook has nothing to do with search histories. What if you were looking up hardcore porn or std info or any other reletively private searches and a significant other/reletive gets on to search for something and sees all your searches on there? I'd be embarassed. I wouldn't care who did it, I'm still pissed. I actually noticed this this weekend and was like "wtf?!" Why do we have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get around something someone probably shouldn't be doing in the first place?! I personally believe they should've prompted us if we wanted to participate first before doing it, or just not do it for the general public without Google accounts! -___-

Hmmmm. Delete your cookies? Use Private Browsing? There are many solutions to the "I want to search something embarrassing but I don't want anyone to know" problem.
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:20 PM

View PostTom9729, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 09:43 AM, said:

Sorry but if this was something Microsoft did with Bing, I'm pretty sure we would have seen no such post from you.


And you would be wrong my friend. I dont care what company it is, if they do something I dont agree with then I say something. That's just the way I am, I'm an Obama supported but I have started a few threads disagreeing with what he's done. I dont really take sides based on a company, I take them based on how I feel.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:24 PM

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Hmmmm. Delete your cookies? Use Private Browsing? There are many solutions to the "I want to search something embarrassing but I don't want anyone to know" problem.


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Why do we have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get around something someone probably shouldn't be doing in the first place?!

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:32 PM

View PostNeoTifa, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 02:24 PM, said:

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Hmmmm. Delete your cookies? Use Private Browsing? There are many solutions to the "I want to search something embarrassing but I don't want anyone to know" problem.


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Why do we have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get around something someone probably shouldn't be doing in the first place?!

Guess what? When you search for things, they are stored in your browser history. Most browsers remember what you enter into forms. Almost ALL major websites track you somehow, and many offer search history (Google, Amazon, Bing, etc) as a service. The simple fact is that if you want privacy you are going to have to jump through some hoops because different people have different ideas of what is reasonable and what isn't when it comes to the collection and storage of your personal information.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:34 PM

And I think that is wrong. I shouldn't have to jump through hoops just for some sense of privacy. Why alter the search results based on someone's history, why not just show the most relevant results.

This is one of the reasons I have cut way back on what I do with Google
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:43 PM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 12:33 PM, said:

I just dont like the idea that even when I'm not logged into my Google account ... that they're tracking what I search for, then scew the results based on that data. I prefer to see the best results, not something they generate based on information they took without my knowledge...

So is your complaint that Google is collecting search information or that they're using it to determine search results?

Google has never made any secret of the fact that they log pretty much pretty much everything you do. It's right in their privacy policy, which is linked from the front page. There's nothing new here - they've always collected the information necessary to do this. The only difference is that now you can actually see them doing something with it.

As far as wanting the "best" or "most relevant" results, that's just silly. Both "best" and "relevant" are highly subjective. I'm sure the Google people would tell you that that's exactly what they're trying to do - provide the results that are best for you.
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:49 PM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

And I think that is wrong. I shouldn't have to jump through hoops just for some sense of privacy. Why alter the search results based on someone's history, why not just show the most relevant results.

This is one of the reasons I have cut way back on what I do with Google

It would be a false sense of privacy. Web 2.0 is all about tracking everything that you do and using it to "improve" your experience. My point is that if you really have a problem with what Google is doing, then you are either a hypocrite or a fool because it is exactly what Facebook, Last.fm, and pretty much every other significant online service is doing right now.

I feel that the only reason you brought up this specific issue is because Google is a competitor of your favorite company.
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:56 PM

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View PostNeoTifa, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 02:24 PM, said:

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Hmmmm. Delete your cookies? Use Private Browsing? There are many solutions to the "I want to search something embarrassing but I don't want anyone to know" problem.


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Why do we have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get around something someone probably shouldn't be doing in the first place?!

Guess what? When you search for things, they are stored in your browser history. Most browsers remember what you enter into forms. Almost ALL major websites track you somehow, and many offer search history (Google, Amazon, Bing, etc) as a service. The simple fact is that if you want privacy you are going to have to jump through some hoops because different people have different ideas of what is reasonable and what isn't when it comes to the collection and storage of your personal information.



Yes, but browsers generally ask you if you wish to store your info or not. IE used to, and FF asks about passwords and stuff.
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:05 PM

View PostNeoTifa, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 02:56 PM, said:

Yes, but browsers generally ask you if you wish to store your info or not. IE used to, and FF asks about passwords and stuff.

If you are concerned about such things then it is your responsibility as a user to read their privacy policy, terms of service, etc.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:33 PM

Ah fooey! D=<
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:45 PM

View PostTom9729, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 10:49 AM, said:

I feel that the only reason you brought up this specific issue is because Google is a competitor of your favorite company.


Do you enjoy being wrong, and making false statements? Google is not a competitor of Microsoft (in my opinion), so they both ahve a search engine, that's not really (in my opinion) make them competitors.
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:10 PM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 03:45 PM, said:

View PostTom9729, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 10:49 AM, said:

I feel that the only reason you brought up this specific issue is because Google is a competitor of your favorite company.


Do you enjoy being wrong, and making false statements? Google is not a competitor of Microsoft (in my opinion), so they both ahve a search engine, that's not really (in my opinion) make them competitors.

I could ask you the same thing. They both offer many competing services, and in my eyes that makes them competitors.

Internet Explorer <=> Google Chrome
Office w/ Sharepoint <=> Google Docs, Google Applications
Hotmail <=> Gmail
Bing <=> Google Search
Windows Mobile <=> Android
adCenter <=> Adsense

etc

Also, Chrome OS? You don't think that is designed to compete with Windows on netbooks and cheap PCs?
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:11 PM

I'm sure it was designed to compete with Windows, but that just isn't going to happen.
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