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#46 PsychoCoder  Icon User is offline

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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 13 December 2009 - 10:30 AM

I love the way (more on my blog) how people are trying to tell me that I dont have a right to feel the way I do regarding this move by Google. Well for those who feel you have the right to do that ,,!,, :)

I haven't used Google since I read that on their blog, and until they make some changes I do not plan on using it again :(
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 10:32 AM

Then maybe you should give up search engines all together because your searches are being cataloged and evaluated on all of them. Heck, might as well get rid of your internet connection all together.

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 10:51 AM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 13 Dec, 2009 - 12:30 PM, said:

I love the way (more on my blog) how people are trying to tell me that I dont have a right to feel the way I do regarding this move by Google. Well for those who feel you have the right to do that ,,!,, :)

I haven't used Google since I read that on their blog, and until they make some changes I do not plan on using it again :(

No one is telling you how to feel. We're just pointing out that you're being a hypocrite.
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 01:39 PM

View PostSpeedisaVirus, on 13 Dec, 2009 - 09:32 AM, said:

Then maybe you should give up search engines all together because your searches are being cataloged and evaluated on all of them. Heck, might as well get rid of your internet connection all together.


He knows this, he just won't admit it because it means his blog post and this topic become irrelevant. As if somehow there are 'different levels' of privacy invasion for search engines.
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 10:21 PM

I agree with the argument about the same PC is used by multiple users and it can be a problem if you log keep information about searches.

But, if you think that bad, consider this: Google Chrome recored all characters typed by users in the address bar, character by character live. So as you are typing something in the address bar google knows what you are searching before you even finish typing. Even if you changed your mind about what you wanted to search and pressed backspace, it's still there.

However, I am still using Google Chrome, I love it. And yes I am concerned about my privacy, but not enough for me to stop using it.
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 10:33 PM

View PostMike007, on 15 Dec, 2009 - 09:21 PM, said:

But, if you think that bad, consider this: Google Chrome recored all characters typed by users in the address bar, character by character live.


Provide evidence as support please.
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 11:17 PM

Ok,

my own research indicates they do but you have to prove purpose before they are made in to demons. Key logging could be used to hit previously cached searches or to ping back to the server to provide preferenced searches...in the browser only which is not a problem. They could also only be doing this while you agree to contribute which they have an option for. Prove me malcontent and then we have a problem.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 06:48 AM

View PostNeoTifa, on 8 Dec, 2009 - 12:33 PM, said:

Ah fooey! D=<

Download chrome, run incognito mode, watch all the hardcore porn and research all the stds you want without your family members knowing. As for google keeping records of what we search, I think the only thing that will change that is a lawsuit.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:00 PM

View PostSpeedisaVirus, on 15 Dec, 2009 - 10:17 PM, said:

Ok,

my own research indicates they do but you have to prove purpose before they are made in to demons. Key logging could be used to hit previously cached searches or to ping back to the server to provide preferenced searches...in the browser only which is not a problem. They could also only be doing this while you agree to contribute which they have an option for. Prove me malcontent and then we have a problem.


I never said they are doing anything that is not legit with the data. But, just think about the amount of data that single entity holds. Google Street View, search information, emails, documents, videos, pictures, bug reports... etc etc... There are a lot of people interested in that information. Plus Google can use it as a leverage to block competition.

All we are saying here is that we are walking down a dangerous alley. We just need some good regulations to make sure everyone stays honest. I personally don't make too much of it.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:28 PM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 13 Dec, 2009 - 11:30 AM, said:

I love the way (more on my blog) how people are trying to tell me that I dont have a right to feel the way I do regarding this move by Google. Well for those who feel you have the right to do that ,,!,, :)

I haven't used Google since I read that on their blog, and until they make some changes I do not plan on using it again :(

It's not that you have no right to feel that way, it's that you haven't put forth a convincing argument as to why we should feel the same.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 08:33 PM

View PostMike007, on 16 Dec, 2009 - 12:00 PM, said:

I never said they are doing anything that is not legit with the data. But, just think about the amount of data that single entity holds. Google Street View, search information, emails, documents, videos, pictures, bug reports... etc etc... There are a lot of people interested in that information. Plus Google can use it as a leverage to block competition.



Absolutely. The quantity of info they have on any given individual due to all of their services is a wild concept. Really though, as long as they stick to the user agreement how much can we complain. Keep an eye on google in the news. They portray qualities I can trust at the moment. Always require court order to hand over user data, complete nazis on user confidentiality, always attempt to settle conflicts to satisfy both parties even if they can muscle their own way. Under current management they are pretty golden.

I am still weary of the content they have on me but right now they are playing by the rules. I also got a little crotchety when they went public. No longer are they just accountable to their morals, they now have share holders. I do have concerns about the power of monopoly they seem to be gaining. Google is an unstoppable juggernaut. There needs to be a counterbalance. Really the only entity that can really offer that is Microsoft. No one else has the resources. Google is worth what, $30 billion?
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 18 December 2009 - 01:11 PM

View PostPsychoCoder, on 13 Dec, 2009 - 10:30 AM, said:

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I haven't used Google since I read that on their blog, and until they make some changes I do not plan on using it again :(


This is like giving up the internet.

View Postccubed, on 10 Dec, 2009 - 09:59 AM, said:

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If by more than enough you mean 0, you're correct.

Otherwise, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Says the person who tells everyone congruent to their viewpoints they are arrogant in various ways.

I'll agree with you if you can tell me who the hell wants their parrot to eat their diarrhea or who AOL searched several consecutive queries about whether or not they have a scrotum. Otherwise even when search logs are exposed, it tells you nothing other than searcher #3285734 is an insane person who wonders why there is a dead Pakistani under their couch.

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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:39 PM

View PostWolfCoder, on 18 Dec, 2009 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Postccubed, on 10 Dec, 2009 - 09:59 AM, said:

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If by more than enough you mean 0, you're correct.

Otherwise, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Says the person who tells everyone congruent to their viewpoints they are arrogant in various ways.

I'll agree with you if you can tell me who the hell wants their parrot to eat their diarrhea or who AOL searched several consecutive queries about whether or not they have a scrotum. Otherwise even when search logs are exposed, it tells you nothing other than searcher #3285734 is an insane person who wonders why there is a dead Pakistani under their couch.


You realize Searcher #3285734 has an IP address associated with it right?

If you'll think back to when VIACOM sued google, you'll remember they asked google for IP logs of all searches dealing with torrents. Surprisingly, google gave them up in around 500 pages of text.

So, remember, if you're going to accuse me of being arrogant or launch a personal attack on someone, make sure your facts are straight. mmkay? :^:
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Re: Google, how far is too far?

Posted 05 January 2010 - 06:33 PM

View Postccubed, on 10 Dec, 2009 - 08:59 AM, said:

View PostFrom 10 Dec, 2009 - 07:41 AM:

If you want to privately search, there are more then enough ways to do this.


If by more than enough you mean 0, you're correct.

Otherwise, you have no idea what you're talking about.


There are plenty of ways to search privately. Either disable/clear your cookies, or just browse in private mode - most of the major internet browsers have this option. Do something like that, and no one who uses your computer will ever know what you searched for.

Of course, whatever engine you're searching on will know, but there's no way to get around that. Companies try their best to personalize experience for each user, and they do that by collecting cookies. If you don't like it, write your own search engine -- I'm sure there are loads of people on this site who could help you if you needed it.
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