Think, before you drink, before you drive me mad.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:01 PM

Hey guys here's my first social post and i have been pondering through my second day here what tutorials i can write etc. In fact i believe building a rich profile here would look good on anybodies CV (resume to my colonial cousins).

One thing i have noticed right off the bat is a lot of people join this forum to get home work done for there class. Some of the people i have helped may have just robbed me of my knowledge and maybe sat in class gleaming a smile as the student next to them fails. So i decided that the best thing i can think of was to let it be known i am a bit of a softy. If i see somebody in need, i will help. But I have noticed some people who ask for help are greeted with a rule that seems long standing. It seems fair, the user shows they have had a go and we help, perfect. But does anybody notice a repeating pattern?

I doubt any of these people asking for help have speared a thought for pseudo code and UML. No design just random coding. So i was thinking, should we not try and drum that into peoples heads? Because if you can program a program from description alone you are a far greater man than I. When presented with even a simple problem we should maybe try and provide pseudo code instead and not actual code at all.

Just an idea.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:14 PM

Many of us already do provide pseudo-code when we feel it's apropriate. You just have to sense when it's going to be enough for the OP with just pseudo-code and when it will only make things more complicated.

In 99% of the times, I think UML would be to overdo it. Most examples are less then 40 lines of code and you'd sooner write 3 versions of the code than making a UML diagram that the OP won't understand anyways.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:14 PM

There's also the ability to gauge if the person will return or if they're just a one post wonder.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:18 PM

Also when the OP has posted code, you may not want to redesign it for him but instead just point out some small mistake he made. Maybe point out a better way to do it but teaching someone implementation design is time consuming and also comes with experience.

With this, not said that you shouldn't do these things if you want. It's top notch assisting, just sometimes like throwing pearls to the pigs.. (Dunno what the hell that's supposed to mean but anyways)

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:34 PM

That's the first time I've heard that expression.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:47 PM

it's a swedish thing.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:06 PM

when in rome.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:13 PM

the women are hot and horny.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:19 PM

haha so i know what your saying then, so just keep replies short and sweet. I just don't wanna break any rules with my helping after seeing the warning posts from other members.

I love helping and i love that comment about throwing pearls to the pigs lmao. Feels great :D

Nice to meet you all x
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:34 PM

i don't think it's as much of a "you cannot help people who don't show code" type of rule as much as a "don't expect any help if you don't show code" kinda thing. so help as much as you want, but your time is probably more well-spent when helping somebody who shows an effort or interest.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:55 PM

Yes... there are much people like, as KYA mentioned in his blog post, "the Copy and Paste Generation"... you can say who is like that by looking at their posts. Some just ask "what is wrong with this..." then they throw up like 300 lines of code each of which from someone (they really don't have anything to do in common)... these are the ones who need to be shown the Mighty Rules of D.I.C :ph34r:

But some other are, curious to understand what their problem is... it's really obvious with their question :)
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 03:55 PM

Just follow the rules

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 05:08 PM

View PostKYA, on 10 Jan, 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

That's the first time I've heard that expression.


Really? I thought you read that book. Bad Christian, no wafer. ;)

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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. - KJV, Matthew 7:6


For the OP. You should do what you think appropriate to help. If you think the poster is just trying to take advantage, ignore them. Giving a complete answer is not required or always desirable. Even if their code is hideously bad, it's possible they'll learn more from minimal changes than a rewrite. If it takes a rewrite, explain it but don't write it for them.

Never give away what you're unwilling to loose. If you feel someone is "stealing" you work, that's the wrong attitude. A student who doesn't do any work learns nothing. They only hurt themselves. It's more pitiful than mercenary.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:43 PM

Heh, I got owned.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 07:09 PM

All I know is when I see a post like

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I can haz codez for sort plz?
I'll be expecting a decent paypal deposit prior to giving them anything because they aren't asking for help, they are asking for an answer.

Maybe we should all give these people code...think about how many tards to the workforce. Those of us that took the time to learn will look like golden code gods! B)

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