[DuoShin85]

Who will win?

The developer.

[Amadeus]

^

Winner. All about choice.

This post has been edited by Amadeus: 21 January 2010 - 05:17 PM

[NickDMax]

I work on Enterprise systems and I NEVER see PHP, and on rare occasions we see some poor corporation trying to get some ASP hacked together crap working on the enterprise level and generally hating life...

From this perspective they both looks like both PHP and ASP are not sufficient for the scale and security of enterprise development...

(Recently a "certain company" made the "suggestion" of using ASP on a project at one of our customer sites and was laughed out of the office and escorted to the front door... This is generally the view that most of our customers take to Wintel in general... you don't mention it until you are talking about workstations -- you will get the same response if you suggest a Linux workstation...).

[TriggaMike]

Why are you working for "The Man" if you use linux anyway?

[galorin]

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The character that the browser uses to recognize PHP code from regular HTML code is the ‘?’ which happens to conveniently sit right next to the SGML characters as well as the shift button used for all three. What character does ASP/ASP.NET use? Oh, that’s right- it’s the modulus character ‘%’ which sits halfway across the keyboard. Lazy? Better believe it! Please tell me of a coder who isn’t. Please provide me the name of a programming software distributor/company who isn’t. Programming is all about convenience.

That reminds me. Doesn’t Microsoft, the Great Company who provided us with the convenience of ASP/ASP.NET, give us the ‘\’ when navigating through the OS? Yup. UNIX/Linux/Mac/Every-other-non-IBM-or-MS-OS uses the ‘/’ which conveniently sits next to ‘.’ on the keyboard.

This is why PHP is superior to ASP/ASP.NET and why UNIX/Linux/Mac/Every-other-non-IBM-or-MS-OS is superior to Windows.

source

Yeah, it's tongue in cheek, as was my previous comment. This is turning in to a flame war. I have yet to find any proper, vendor neutal studies comparing optimised PHP to optimised ASP.net.

Heck, why not learn both? There is nothing stopping you from learning more than one programming language. In fact, in order to actually "make it" in the programming world, you need to know more than just one language.

This post has been edited by galorin: 22 January 2010 - 03:16 AM

[BenignDesign]

galorin, on 22 Jan, 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

This is turning in to a flame war.

This surprises you? Pitting languages against each other yields roughly the same results as asking for browser or OS comparisons. Soon or later, the nerds will get rowdy and all Hell will break loose. It's why I stay here.... for the action.

galorin, on 22 Jan, 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

Heck, why not learn both? There is nothing stopping you from learning more than one programming language. In fact, in order to actually "make it" in the programming world, you need to know more than just one language.

Agreed. Just because I use PHP or the next guy uses ASP, doesn't mean we don't know anything else... for all technical purposes, there are 5 languages I use every day. PHP is only one of them.

I would love to learn ASP... and Ruby... and Python... and Perl and every thing else in the buttons on the left... but it doesn't happen overnight and my kids get a little cranky when I don't feed them for a few days because I'm engrossed in a new language.


Edit: Reworded to avoid sounding like an argumentative personal attack when it was meant to be merely an observation.

This post has been edited by BenignDesign: 22 January 2010 - 03:56 AM

[eclipsed4utoo]

NickDMax, on 21 Jan, 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

(Recently a "certain company" made the "suggestion" of using ASP on a project at one of our customer sites and was laughed out of the office and escorted to the front door... This is generally the view that most of our customers take to Wintel in general... you don't mention it until you are talking about workstations -- you will get the same response if you suggest a Linux workstation...).

sounds like your customers are uninformed.

[TriggaMike]

neither PHP or ASP.net are an Ideal platform for an enterprise level application, so I don't see how getting laughed at makes them uninformed.

[NickDMax]

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Sounds like your customers are uninformed.

Hardly. I mean maybe I have been living in my bubble for too long, but my day-to-day experience is:

windows server == lots of down time and headaches

Unix server == FAR FAR FAR less down time, initial headaches followed by years of reliability.

In the Enterprise development little world I live in, working alongside ECM/SAP/IBM/HP implementing solutions for multinational organizations -- we just don't see many windows servers -- and when we do, we normally find down databases, law suites, corporate espionage scandals, down servers, and arrogant little kids with their MCSD certificates hanging on their cubical wall...

[PsychoCoder]

I would have to disagree with those saying that ASP.NET isn't right for enterprise applications and I did it for many years at one of my last employers (and we had over 500,000 users using the web applications). In a very large project I would take ASP.NET over PHP, but if it's something small that just needs to be whipped up a lot of times I'll go with PHP

[eclipsed4utoo]

NickDMax, on 24 Jan, 2010 - 01:23 AM, said:

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Sounds like your customers are uninformed.

Hardly. I mean maybe I have been living in my bubble for too long, but my day-to-day experience is:

windows server == lots of down time and headaches

Unix server == FAR FAR FAR less down time, initial headaches followed by years of reliability.

In the Enterprise development little world I live in, working alongside ECM/SAP/IBM/HP implementing solutions for multinational organizations -- we just don't see many windows servers -- and when we do, we normally find down databases, law suites, corporate espionage scandals, down servers, and arrogant little kids with their MCSD certificates hanging on their cubical wall...

wow....corporate espionage scandals have something to do with Windows Servers? Wow...did not know that. I guess I better take down a few of my customer's sites down that are running on Windows servers for years(with zero downtime) because of the scandals that will occur because of them running Windows servers.

Arrogant? Maybe you should look in the mirror. Sounds a lot like you look down on anybody "not at your level", since you work with "multinational organizations" and "some big name companies" and "enterprise systems".

Though I would probably laugh at ASP also if it was suggested, but certainly not ASP.Net. There is a big difference.

This post has been edited by eclipsed4utoo: 28 January 2010 - 10:22 AM

[Sergio Tapia]

I personally love making things with ASP.Net, it's just so easy and you can accurately predict what's going to happen.

Haven't had the change to use PHP yet, but since it requires at least some sort of in-depth linux/apache knowledge, I'm not qualified yet.

[AdaHacker]

stapia.gutierrez, on 28 Jan, 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Haven't had the change to use PHP yet, but since it requires at least some sort of in-depth linux/apache knowledge, I'm not qualified yet.

Actually no, it doesn't - that's just the most commonly used platform. PHP will run just fine on Windows with IIS. It's even officially supported by Microsoft.

[Sergio Tapia]

Most hosting providers offer a LAMP setup. Linux knowledge is prefered.

[TriggaMike]

Windows Server officially supports it. You aren't going to use PHP for windows if you're passing it to a hosting company. There is no reason you need to know how to use *nix to use PHP, I think we may have a PEBKAC issue here...