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Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 16 February 2010 - 10:53 PM

I am in my last semester for my AAS. I cannot wait to learn from another professor in another college. I do not want to sound like I have not learned anything from the college that I am currently in, but I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

I could talk about many things that is wrong with my college, but my focus is more on the IT department. I have taken one semester of VB 6.0, one semester of Java, and I am in my third semester of C++. I do not believe I favor C++ from the other languages because of the amount of time spent working with it. I just never really felt a connection to programming in VB, but this is besides the fact because not getting your money's worth at a college could affect any one.

My major concern is that the so called "Advanced C++" and "Advanced Object Oriented Programming" classes, review the first 3 to 4 chapters of 'Intro to C++' to "refresh" students mind's of the subject. This just wastes time because if one is taking advanced classes and so forth, they should have kept up with it on their own time. The five weeks of advanced classes cover intro subjects such as, what OOP is, evaluating C++ expressions, understanding arrays/pointers/functions, which is ridiculous. The professor could have spent those five weeks teaching new things.

I know I am not the only one that has ever felt this way or have experienced a college like this, but I just wanted to gripe and express my concerns over my current college's academic studies. I do code programs other than my school assignments, especially during semester breaks, but I have realized that I cannot depend solely on a school to teach me. There are times when you have to do it yourself!

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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:08 PM

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this guy posted using complete sentences, so rather than being snarky, how's about we get this moved to the corner cube for some discussion that might help the guy out.

THAT'S FUCKING TEAM WORK!!!!!
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:21 PM

Never let school get in the way of your education. I'm sure someone wise has already said something to you of this nature. If I was you I would either teach myself computer science (which is what I did in school), and pass with flying colors, or drop it and find a more challenging school if you're desperate for the credits to finish your degree.

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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 17 February 2010 - 11:02 AM

Coden4fun is right! sometimes it maybe hard but its your education, not theres and if you think you can handle it then go ahead and even tell the teacher.

Learn new things in your spare time to.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 17 February 2010 - 01:59 PM

You should try taking computer fundamentals (computer fun da mentials) The class was so boring but I had to take it since it was required. The only fun part was when the teacher told the class to open a web browser and goto a web page, and she suggested www.whitehouse.com (it used to be a porn sight)

for some of my other classes I talked to other students and asked them about the professors that teach them. You should do the same since not all professors are the same and other students can tell you witch ones to avoid.

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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:14 PM

I should have checked other schools before I committed. Our school has one programming instructor.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:11 PM

I hate to break this to you, but VB6 is a dying (if not dead language). :) Microsoft would prefer developers to transition to VB.NET.

After reading your description of the Advanced OOP w/C++ course, I get the feeling that it is comparable to the AP Computer Science A course, which covers everything from primitive datatypes, arrays and ArrayLists (dynamic arrays; I believe these are Vectors in C++) to classes, inheritance, polymorphism, and interfaces to searching and sorting. In this regards, I feel your pain, as I am enrolled in AP CS A this year. While my teacher is really great, I'd like to go more above and beyond the current concepts necessary for the AP Exam; however, my instructor can't facilitate this in class, as I am well ahead of the rest of my class, most of whom are not programmers by nature.

At the college level, generally, the students enrolled in 100 and 200 level programming and CS classes (intro classes and advanced OOP, generally classes that are prerequisites for Data Structures) are seeing this material for the first time. So even though they were taught this last semester, reinforcement helps to solidify their foundations. And in reality, these classes may be the last time many of the students work with code (beyond maybe BBCode or HTML) in their lives. Don't forget that many STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) majors take a programming course to satisfy degree requirements.

As you have begun to see, working ahead is the preferable option to boredom. The course that generally follows the Advanced Programming course is Data Structures, so if you are interested in enrolling in that course, take this time to get a head start on it. If you're not interested in pursuing more advanced CS classes, then take some time to solidify your C++ foundation or learn (more) about other languages. Java is always a popular choice, or VB.NET if you want to continue along with VB.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:26 PM

Consider yourself lucky. At my school there is only one programming class with two levels (in visual basic I think). The problem lies in the fact that I live in a *cough* white trash *cough* area of NY. My friend and I apparently are the only ones who are interested in computers. The problem is the fact that you need at least 10 people to sign up for the class, or it isn't going to be taught that semester.

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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 04 December 2010 - 06:19 PM

First sign you school sucks balls:

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I have taken one semester of VB 6.0...


They still offer this at your school? Let me guess they also teach C# in .Net 1.1 and ECMAScript ver 1...


I know what you mean though. I actually left school because I was tired of professors dragging their feet in handing me my lessons. Just like you I had teachers spend 2,3, sometimes 5 weeks in 'intro' and 'refresh' chapters of the book. That's first day material, a quick "hey here's this, this and this... anyone here not know this stuff? If so here's some examples, go study these chapters and be ready for next class". Any more you're wasting the majority of student's time.

This happened to me in even high school. I moved to Florida from New England and ended up having to retake geometry, algebra, american history, physical science and 2 years of spanish. Why? Because in New England you didn't get high school credit for this stuff, you could be placed in it, but it didn't go towards high school credit... you were still expected to do 4 years of that as well. Where as in good ol' Florida you're required to receive credit in these classes... they couldn't replace the required courses with higher level ones... oh no, because the Florida requirements don't say "3 years Math", it says "2 years algebra (1 & 2) and geometry". And yep, you have to follow it that strictly... you can take Algebra in middle school, but they actually give you high school credits in middle school for it... which actually allows you to graduate earlier instead of say, taking Calculus or some higher math in high school. Why not? Because they don't have any teachers who can teach calc. Awesome...



Personally I say that if you have the discipline and dedication to learn... you can teach yourself most of it. All autodidactic and shit yo'!
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 05 December 2010 - 01:36 AM

If you want to know how necessary college is in some cases, take a look at most any California based tech ventures recruiting section: BA in Computer Science , related degree, or equatable chops.

Paraphrasing I've seen this on Dropbox, Google, Last.FM, and tons of other sites.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:01 AM

Our school offers one programming course - AP Computer Science. Once that's done, it's done. The teacher isn't all that great either. He can help with questions, but he doesn't teach. We come in and read the textbook and do the projects. Even if your code is horrid, you get a 100% probably because he can't tell good code from bad code. Fortunately, I took it freshman year, so I don't have to worry about it any more. The only thing I can do is teach myself (with a ton of help from DIC).

Do I feel held back? No. Do I wish I had more opportunities to program? Absolutely! That's part of learning.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:01 AM

I had an electronics instructor once that only tought electricity. I talked to him about my electronics learning and showed him my notes. He had me meat a recruter from a local college, next thing I knew I was signing up to go to a new school.

It was a great change, and I got the education that I wanted.

Maybe you can Moonlight? If your above the class then don't go, find some other class to go to instead (if there is another college/class to go to)
And just show up at the end. I've seen a few kids in my college classes that never show up and yet they still pass the class with flying colors.
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Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:01 AM

I had an electronics instructor once that only tought electricity. I talked to him about my electronics learning and showed him my notes. He had me meat a recruter from a local college, next thing I knew I was signing up to go to a new school.

It was a great change, and I got the education that I wanted.

Maybe you can Moonlight? If your above the class then don't go, find some other class to go to instead (if there is another college/class to go to)
And just show up at the end. I've seen a few kids in my college classes that never show up and yet they still pass the class with flying colors.
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Re: Have you been held back from learning more?

Posted 07 December 2010 - 02:36 PM

View Postcalvinthedestroyer, on 07 December 2010 - 01:01 AM, said:

Maybe you can Moonlight? If your above the class then don't go, find some other class to go to instead (if there is another college/class to go to)


I'm in highschool, and as such, my options are limited to University of Tennessee, which is like 30 minutes away. (Not bad, but it is a commute).
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