[Thorian]

Constructive critisizim only please Idunnas grove

that is the URL for the place holder for our farm website. I am just trying to get the graphics and fonts pleasing to the eye first then I will get some content out there. I just dont know about the greens? are they close enough? should I ax the blue for another shade of green? Redo the logo?

That is right the non developer is trying this crap out for a change.

[Nova Dragoon]

What I think it really needs, is for the top images to have the same resolution and clarity as the BG grass, because they stand out now.

Otherwise I think its cool

[enj316]

This looks nice.

Stupid question......but how do you make background resize in the windows no matter what resolution the user is using?

[Thorian]

Just changed the top 2 images softening the script and trying to match the appleblossoms with the grass. I have been cheating and used a website builder my host provided for the base code and have been changing things here and there. I honestly dont know how they do that.

What is going to be hard I think is when I try to integrate a gardening forum keeping the same feel

Because I honestly dont know what the hell I am doing. But I know what I want in my head and try to make the software do what I want I guess that is the same as any other program

when I am done Ill post the code after I off load it from FTP so you can see the style sheets and javascript.

[max302]

Thorian, on 31 May, 2006 - 01:57 PM, said:

and I just bought Idunnasgrove.net .com and .org

So this is what you did with the domains you bought... At first I thought that real geeks bought domains just for the raw fun of it.

Good stuff, I really like the grass background, it's nice and crisp. The small banner with the apple needs reworking, and I don't suggest jpegs for images with lots of white like this one. Transparency would be nice, and I would personnally put it on the left.

Other than than, bravo.

[unreal_origin]

Looks nice, there is only one thing i have to say, and it is really preference is, I personally do not like a background that is stationary while i am able to scrolling down a page,

Just a personal preference though

[MarkoDaGeek]

A stationary backround looks good when it's used correctly and in this page it looks great.

I like this, definately a solid start.

[adamjon858]

/me says PRETTY

[Thorian]

for those that wanted to see my code for the CSS

style.css

#logo {
   background: url(resources/_wsb_logo.jpg) no-repeat;
}
#key_visual {
   background: url(resources/_wsb_keyvisual.jpg) no-repeat;
}
#slogan {
  font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 10px;
  font-weight: bold;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1c6392;
}
#main_nav_list a.main_nav_active_item {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/n1activeitem.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
  background-position: top right;
}
#main_nav_list a.main_nav_item {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/n1.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
  background-position: top right;
}
#main_nav_list a.main_nav_item:hover {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/n1hover.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
}
.sub_nav_list a.sub_nav_active_item {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/subnav1active.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
}
.sub_nav_list a.sub_nav_item {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/subnav1.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
}
.sub_nav_list a.sub_nav_item:hover {
  background: url(images/dynamic/buttonset2/subnav1hover.gif) no-repeat;
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
}
#content_container h1 {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 32px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1c6392;
}
#content_container h2 {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 26px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1c6392;
}
#content_container h3 {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 22px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1c6392;
}
#content_container, #content_container p {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 11px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #616161;
}
#content_container a:visited {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 100%;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #000;
}
#content_container a:link {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 100%;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #000;
}
#content_container a:hover {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 100%;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #000;
}
#content_container a:active {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 100%;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #000;
}
#footer_text {
  font-family: Trebuchet MS, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-size: 10px;
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
  color: #1a556d;
}

main.css

/*----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	main.css

	this css-file contains all definitions, that are independend from the
	colorschemes.

	(c) Schlund + Partner AG


	----------------------------------------------------------------------
	Modified and extended by Barti Bartman for the Sports-Template

	This CSS-File uses the original "Tanteks Box Modell Hack"
	http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html

	NOTE:
	Older W3C CSS validators return errors when the voice-family property
	is used in a 'screen' style sheet. This is an error in the W3C CSS
	validator itself. The validator should report a warning, not an error,
	when properties which are unsupported by a particular medium are used,
	and this has been reported to the W3C:

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/


/*----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 styles for specific classes and ids
----------------------------------------------------------------------------*/


/*-- global container ------------------------------------------------------*/

#container {
	position: relative;
	padding: 0;
	margin: 40px auto;
	text-align: left;
	width: 755px;
}

/*--- the main container is devided in sub containers ----------------------*/

#sub_container1 {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}

#sub_container2 {
	width: 527px;
	float: left;
}

#left_column_container {
	float: right;
	width: 215px;
	padding-bottom: 102px;
}

/*--- header ---------------------------------------------------------------*/

#header	{
	padding: 0;
	margin: 0;
	width: 755px;
	height: 192px;
	overflow: hidden;
	position: relative;
}

/*--- key visual -----------------------------------------------------------*/

#key_visual {
	position: absolute;
	top: 84px; left: 4px;
	width: 747px;
	height: 104px;
}

/*--- logo -----------------------------------------------------------------*/

#logo {
	position: absolute;
	top: 29px;
	right: 4px;
	width: 300px;
	height: 51px;
}

/*--- caption (as text or background image) --------------------------------*/

#slogan {
	position: absolute;
	top: 4px;
	left: 15px;
	width: 518px;
	margin-right: 4px;
	height: 15px;
	line-height: 15px;
	text-align: left;
	font-size: 10px;
	font-weight: bold;
}


/*--- main navigation ------------------------------------------------------*/

#main_nav_container {
	width: 215px;
	padding: 10px 0;
}

#main_nav_list {
	margin: 0 20px 0 13px;
	padding: 0;
	list-style: none;
}

#main_nav_list li {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	list-style: none;
}

/*--- main navigation items ------------------------------------------------*/

#main_nav_list a {
	display: block;
	padding: 5px 5px 5px 7px;
}

html body #main_nav_list a {
	padding: 0 0 0 7px; height: 26px; line-height: 26px; }


a.main_nav_item {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

a.main_nav_item:hover {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

a.main_nav_active_item {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

/*--- subnavigation --------------------------------------------------------*/

.sub_nav_list {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}

/*--- subnavigation items --------------------------------------------------*/

.sub_nav_list a {
 	padding-left: 30px !important;
}

a.sub_nav_item {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

a.sub_nav_item:hover {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

a.sub_nav_active_item {
	font-size: 11px;
  text-decoration: none;
}

/*--- content --------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container {
  width: 527px;
  padding: 0 0 0 10px;
  margin: 0;
  overflow: hidden;
}

#content_container table {
	border: 0;
	border-spacing: 0;
	border-collapse: collapse;
	width: 100%;
	font-size: 11px;
	margin: 10px 0;
}

html #content_container table {
	width: 99%;
}

#content_container th {
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 11px;
	padding: 2px;
}


#content_container table th, #content_container table td {
	border: 1px solid #fff;
	padding: 3px;
}

/*--- container for the search form ----------------------------------------*/

#content_search_container {
	position: relative;
	margin: 20px 0;
	width: 510px;
	height: 60px;
}

#content_search_caption {
	position: absolute;
	top: 30px;
	left: 40px;
	font-size: 11px;
}

#content_search_container form {
	position: absolute;
	top: 25px;
	left: 90px;
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}
	
#content_search_container form input {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}

#content_search_container button {
	vertical-align: middle;
	margin-left: 10px;
}

#content_search_container input {
	vertical-align: middle;
	width: 300px;
}

/*--- footer ---------------------------------------------------------------*/

#footer {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	width: 750px;
	height: 65px;
	clear: both;
}

#footer_text {
	padding: 20px 210px 0 0;
	font-size: 10px;
	text-align: center;
}



/*----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  default-styles for html-elements
----------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

/*--- body -----------------------------------------------------------------*/

body#main_body {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	text-align: center;
}

/*--- paragraph ------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container p {
	margin: 5px 0 20px 0;
	padding: 0;
	font-size: 11px;
	line-height: 17px;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	color: #616161;
}

/*--- headings -------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container h1 { 
  font-size: 32px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}
#content_container h2 { 
  font-size: 26px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}
#content_container h3 { 
  font-size: 22px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}
#content_container h4 { 
  font-size: 18px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}
#content_container h5 { 
  font-size: 16px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}
#content_container h6 { 
  font-size: 14px; 
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin: 10px 0;
}


/*--- links ----------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container a:link { 
  font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 100%; 
  font-style: normal; 
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
}

#content_container a:visited {
  font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 100%; 
  font-style: normal; 
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
}

#content_container a:hover {
  font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 100%; 
  font-style: normal; 
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
}

#content_container a:active {
  font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 100%; 
  font-style: normal; 
  font-weight: normal;
  text-decoration: none;
}


/*--- tables ---------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container table {
	width: 100%;
	border: 1px solid black;
}

html table {
	width: 99%;
}

#content_container th {
	text-align: left;
}

#content_container tr {
	vertical-align: top;
}

/*--- forms ----------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container fieldset {
	border: 0;
}

#content_container input, select, textarea {
	border-style: solid;
	border-width: 1px;
}

#content_container label {
	font-size: 12px; 
}

#content_container button {
	color: #fff;
	font-weight: bold;
	cursor: pointer;
	border: 0;
	font-size: 11px;
	padding: 2px 4px;
}

/*--- lists ----------------------------------------------------------------*/

#content_container ul {
	font-size: 11px;
	list-style: square;
}

#content_container ol {
	font-size: 11px;
}

#content_container li { 
	margin: 3px 0;
}

/*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

[Thorian]

and this is the JS that I believe resizes the background to match window size. but dont quote me on that as I have been modifying a templet

var ResizeIframe = {   
  wrapperId : "tinc_content",
				
  /**
   * Resizes an iframe sId including oDoc to oDoc's content size.
   * Can be called top-down, i.e. from the including iframe (or it's parents) or bottom-up, i.e. from the included document.
   * In the latter case the iframe element is retrieved programmatically.
   * 
   * @param oDoc  Included page's document object
   * @param sId   ID of including iframe
   */			   
  resize : function ( oDoc, sId ) 
  {
	try
	{
	  if ( typeof oDoc == "undefined" ) return;
  
	  if ( typeof sId != "undefined" ) 
	  {
		var iframe = oDoc.getElementById( sId );
		var iframeDoc = iframe.contentwindow.document;
	  } else {
		var iframeDoc = oDoc;
		var iframeWindow = iframeDoc.parentWindow || iframeDoc.defaultView;
		var iframe = iframewindow.frameElement;
	  }
	  var wrapper = iframeDoc.getElementById( this.wrapperId );

	  // make sure we only resize once
	  if ( iframeDoc.isIntegrated == true ) { return; }
	  
	  // switch on transparency for iframe
	  iframeDoc.body.style.backgroundColor = "transparent";
	  iframe.allowTransparency = "true";
			
	  iframeDoc.body.style.padding = "0px";
	  iframeDoc.body.style.border = "none";
	  
	  var tabs = iframeDoc.getElementsByTagName( "table" )
	  if ( tabs[0] && tabs[0].className == "dborder" )
	 	{		
		  wrapper.setAttribute( "wfx:overridewidth", "true" );
	  } else if ( iframeDoc.forms[0] && iframeDoc.forms[0].elements["formname"] ) 
	  {
		  wrapper.setAttribute( "wfx:overridewidth", "true" );
	  } 
	  
	  if ( window.addEventListener )
	  {   
		  var gcs = iframeDoc.defaultView.getComputedStyle( iframeDoc.body, null);
		var v_margin = parseInt( gcs.getPropertyValue( "margin-top" ) ) + parseInt( gcs.getPropertyValue( "margin-bottom" ) );
		var h_margin = parseInt( gcs.getPropertyValue( "margin-left" ) ) + parseInt( gcs.getPropertyValue( "margin-right" ) );
		var wrapper_width = wrapper.offsetWidth;
		
		var flex = wrapper.getAttribute( "wfx:overridewidth" );
		if ( flex == "true" )
		{
			wrapper.style.width = "100%";
		} else {
			iframe.style.width = wrapper_width + h_margin + "px";
		}
		
		// Setting the top padding of the wrapper avoids wrong calculation of the height due to collapsing margins behavior
		wrapper.style.paddingTop = "1px";
		
		height = wrapper.offsetHeight + v_margin;
	  } 
	  else if ( window.attachEvent ) 
	  {		
		iframeDoc.body.style.margin = "0px";
		var wrapper_width = wrapper.offsetWidth;
		
		var flex = wrapper.getAttribute( "wfx:overridewidth" );
		if ( flex == "true" )
		{
			wrapper.style.width = "100%";
		} else {
			iframe.style.width = wrapper_width + "px";
		}
		
		height = wrapper.offsetHeight;
	  }

	  if ( iframe.scrolling != "yes" ) { height += 20; }
	  
	  iframe.style.height = height + "px";
	  iframeDoc.isIntegrated = true; 
	} catch ( ex )
	{
	  return; 
	}
	
	WfxExtrasProcessor.process( oDoc, sId );
  }
}

var WfxExtrasProcessor = {
  process : function ( oDoc, sId)
  {	
	if ( typeof oDoc == "undefined" ) return;
  
	if ( typeof sId != "undefined" ) 
	{
	  var iframe = oDoc.getElementById( sId );
	  var iframeDoc = iframe.contentwindow.document;
	} else {
	  var iframeDoc = oDoc;
	  var iframeWindow = iframeDoc.parentWindow || iframeDoc.defaultView;
	  var iframe = iframewindow.frameElement;
	}
	
	// let non-tinc links load in the parent document. this might need some adjustment
	var links = iframeDoc.getElementsByTagName( "a" );
	for ( var i = 0; i < links.length; i++ )
	{
	  if ( links[i].href.indexOf( "/tinc" ) == -1 ) links[i].target = "_parent";
	}
	
	// Special case: WebElements forms might do redirection to another page after submission. That's indicated by a non-empty
	// 'redirectionEnabled' attribute of a submit button. 
	var inputs = iframeDoc.getElementsByTagName( "input" );
	for ( var i = 0; i < inputs.length; i++ )
	{
	  var input = inputs[i];
	  if ( input.getAttribute("redirection") != null && input.getAttribute("redirection") != '' ) 
		input.form.target = "_parent";
	}
  }
}
	
	

[Alison]

So its a farm that grows food? Then I suggest losing the flowers and putting more thing of what is actually grown... The grass is okay, and I like where it's placed and how it's used, but how about putting something that's more like a farm instead of a baseball field down there?

Green Green Green...and a blue navigation? This looks weird to me..how baout choosing a different color? Maybe something closer to green like yellow or orange? Something more bright or go completely opposite and have a redish color there?

Just some food for thought.

[Thorian]

The funny thing is that if you type Idunnas grove into google it comes up with this site check page. I wonder how long it takes to get spidered.



Well it is actually an orchard. those flowers you see are apple blossoms since my primary crop is apples I figured they would be a better fit. The grass was chosen because my second crop is alfalfa hay. ( wich is really the easiest to deal with It grows someone else cuts it bales it and hauls it I get money 3 - 4 times a year just for being there no work required.

[Nova Dragoon]

If I click on the "our farm" link the nav bar loses the "Why Idunna" link

and if i click on "Why Idunna, then critters, then products"

Both "Why Idunna" and "products" in the nav bar stay highlighted

[Alison]

Thorian, on 8 Jun, 2006 - 07:33 AM, said:

The funny thing is that if you type Idunnas grove into google it comes up with this site check page. I wonder how long it takes to get spidered.



Well it is actually an orchard. those flowers you see are apple blossoms since my primary crop is apples I figured they would be a better fit. The grass was chosen because my second crop is alfalfa hay. ( wich is really the easiest to deal with It grows someone else cuts it bales it and hauls it I get money 3 - 4 times a year just for being there no work required.

well see! how many people know that when they come to your site? lol

[Nova Dragoon]

I did