Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

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Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:37 PM

I was fooling around with my 2008 laptop this morning and saw a sticker on my dvd drive that said Zone 1 only. What the hell? Never heard of it, so I google the thing. Turns out the world is divided by "Zones" and US is Zone 1.

After some more snooping I found out that my laptop can only Zone 'switch' 4 times and then locking to the 4th known zone. What the hell? Why do laptops have this artificial restriction on them?

My friend also told me that games on PS3 cannot be played on multiple consoles, meaning no more game swaps like the SNES and N64 days. Is this true?

Why is DRM so prevalent in the worlds largest software exporter?

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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:47 PM

Region settings have been around since the dawn of CDs (and probably laserdiscs) so you are way late to the party of bitching.

That PS3 bit sounds like urban legend.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:49 PM

Well I have been living in Bolivia since 1999. So you're saying this has been around for a long time now? Was there some sort of outrage when it first came out?
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:51 PM

they also existed with vcr's and beta max. As well as video game consoles.


As for your dvd-rom, that's not the most common thing on PCs. I've personally never had one that had a zone lock on it. And I personally would never by one. Take this as a lesson to never buy one in the future as well.


I wouldn't say there ever has been much outrage because most people didn't know it existed. Back in the 80's not many people were importing videos from around the world... and because the formats were so different people could easily just hit the PAL-NTSC wall before the regioning, and even confuse the two.

Once the PAL-NTSC barrier was busted with DVDs and newer digital tech... it just rode on the fact that it was an already in place restriction from the decade earlier.

And it still helped that the majority of people still weren't importing these things. And those who did usually already had the technical know-how to subvert it.

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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:55 PM

it's... it's always been like this?
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:56 PM

I didn't have any problems with cd's when I came here from Australia, but I did have issues with DVDs. A lot of burning software now gives you the option to change or remove the region settings when you burn, and a lot of hacks exist for removing zone restrictions from DVD players and ROMs if you look around.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:58 PM

Some DVD and especially Blu-Ray players will treat region free disks as unsupported region and not display them either.

You can by region free DVD players (back when DVD's came out I always bought them, they actually tended to be the more affordable ones). As for computers, they mostly are region free... that sucks Sergio found one of the few that have it.
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 08 February 2011 - 01:19 PM

View Posthookiethe1, on 08 February 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

I didn't have any problems with cd's when I came here from Australia, but I did have issues with DVDs. A lot of burning software now gives you the option to change or remove the region settings when you burn, and a lot of hacks exist for removing zone restrictions from DVD players and ROMs if you look around.


Ditto. Half my DVD's are Aussie region 4 and half are USA region 1. AnyDVD is wonderful software. Buy it. It wedges between the driver and the OS to make all DVD's look region free. That way my media center PC can play all my DVD's regardless of which country I bought them in - WITHOUT CHANGING THE REGION CODE OF THE PLAYER HARDWARE.
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 08 February 2011 - 08:15 PM

View PostSergio Tapia, on 08 February 2011 - 12:37 PM, said:

I was fooling around with my 2008 laptop this morning and saw a sticker on my dvd drive that said Zone 1 only. What the hell? Never heard of it, so I google the thing. Turns out the world is divided by "Zones" and US is Zone 1.

After some more snooping I found out that my laptop can only Zone 'switch' 4 times and then locking to the 4th known zone. What the hell? Why do laptops have this artificial restriction on them?

My friend also told me that games on PS3 cannot be played on multiple consoles, meaning no more game swaps like the SNES and N64 days. Is this true?

Why is DRM so prevalent in the worlds largest software exporter?


VLC
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 09 February 2011 - 07:18 AM

View Postmodi123_1, on 08 February 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

Region settings have been around since the dawn of CDs (and probably laserdiscs) so you are way late to the party of bitching.

Super way late, considering that the number of DVD manufacturers is already dwindling as the internet replaces them. I believe C/net had an article about this a week or two ago.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 09:28 AM

This is kind of the reason I am a fan of Richard Stallman.

While I am not totally dead set against the idea of proprietary software or DRM, it just shouldn't be to the extreme that it is in the US.

I remember the mid 90's when cds were a fortune sometimes as high as $30.00 and often the cds had only 1 song that was worth anything.

when napster hit, I was the first to celebrate because the RIAA finally had to compete. Now artists sell their own music and cut out the middle man entirely.

now I cna buy the ONE song I wanted for as little as a $1.25.

Capitalism baby! woohoo!
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 09 February 2011 - 10:06 AM

every time i read the title of this thread i keep seeing 'projection' and i'm like 'man, have you been to a theater with digital projection? it's awesome'
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 09 February 2011 - 11:07 AM

View PostAlbuquerqueApache, on 09 February 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

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now I cna buy the ONE song I wanted for as little as a $1.25.

Capitalism baby! woohoo!


Haha, you actually compensate artists for their work and time they spent making the songs.
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Re: Why has digital protection in the US reached this point?

Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:23 PM

View PostWolfCoder, on 09 February 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

View PostAlbuquerqueApache, on 09 February 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

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now I cna buy the ONE song I wanted for as little as a $1.25.

Capitalism baby! woohoo!


Haha, you actually compensate artists for their work and time they spent making the songs.


I don't mind compensating the artist, its the whole record company I dont want to end up compensating along with it.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:43 PM

OOOOOOOOOh... the advertising, managing, producing, and so forth isn't worth it. gotcha!
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