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Programming career longevity

Posted 23 July 2011 - 01:48 PM

I know it's hard to predict what will happen in the future especially how fast computing technology evolves but do you think there is still decent career longevity starting out as a programmer?

I see things like an adobe plug in/addon for dreamweaver that lets you create web apps, all you need to know is HTML/CSS. And wonder if it's the start of more click and drag solutions!
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 23 July 2011 - 07:17 PM

well, it's best to keep learning. you company will train you to do new things most likely and if you become familiar with these tools prior to using them in production you stand a better chance of being hired :)

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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:56 PM

From what I seem and heard around here there is HUGE longetivity in programming carreer.

Here in my country (Brazil) there is a lack of professionals, is not that hard to find a job. And also nowadays i've seen a lot of new areas with a lot money envolved (apps integrated to social network websites, mobile apps, mobile websites, etc).

And about the drag n drop development, well, it's crap. No good things will come out just by drag n dropping, you can use a drag n drop tool but it will be only effective if you know how to manipulate the generated code, because you will have to.

And even looking to a farther future, software consumes hardware as hardware improves. There will be a time that we wont be able to improve hardware as we do now, so it will be time to rethink software. And of course: cloud computing, we are just starting.

And I can go on, there is still a lot of business that doesn't have a specific application or system, we don't use full potential of multi core cpus yet, fiber optics in LANs, all this new tables and multi touch devices, and it goes on...
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 24 July 2011 - 03:20 AM

WYSIWYG editors have been around since the dawn of time but there's still a job for web designers and developers out there. Why? Because behind all of the marketing hype they're a load of hot air.
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 24 July 2011 - 01:43 PM

Eh. Try not to worry too much about longevity. Of anything. If you listen to the news, we're all going to die from this or that plague tomorrow and/or terrorists will blow us all up and/or the world will go bankrupt and everyone will starve to death on account of no one having any money left to buy shit and/or all our atomic powerplants are going to blow up and we'll all die and/or mutate horribly (keeping my fingers crossed for superpowers, here).

Seriously, though, if anything has longevity in terms of a career, it's programming stuff. Because that's one job where it's bloody unlikely that you'll be replaced by a machine. Even the fucking matrix probably still needed admins of some sort. Maybe they'll clear that up in a sequel if they ever make one. If anything, you are part of the team making the machine that makes other people's jobs obsolete. Then you point at them and laugh and be all like "Haha, I ruined your lives, now please line up so the burrowmatic 5000 can put you 6 feet under."

On a sidenote, how come a paragraph I started with "seriously" ends up with a "burrowmatic 5000" fictional undertaker bot burrying people alive. I might have to rethink ... me.

Anyway. The one thing you can't do is be like "okay, I know TURBOPASCAL now, this is going to be enough to tidy me over until I retire". And not just because you're so young that by the time your retire no one will be left to pay for it. (do keep this in mind, though, because it is the sad truth) Mostly because this shit keeps evolving and moving in directions no one ever thought possible.

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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:15 PM

View Postinsanepenguin, on 23 July 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

I know it's hard to predict what will happen in the future...


It isn't hard, it's impossible. :)

Programming will have its place. Who is going to make and maintain these drag and drop tools? Can these tools do everything? Of course not, so programming will always be a required skill. The more people use drag and drop tools the more businesses will be demanding programmers to swoop in and give them a service those tools can't provide.
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 25 July 2011 - 03:41 AM

Exactly stackoverflow the WYSIWYG editors are very over-rated, after all it is what you don't see that is concerning! The code they produce is always so patently generated (regardless of the platform). If I got a penny for every time I see...
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A lot of my job is clearing up the mess that they, along with the incompetents that typically use them, create! ;)
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:09 AM

I would actually worry a little more then just "WYSIWYG editors are very over-rated" -- because that is greatly irrelevant.

As long as they are usable there is a certain value for them to business users. Begin able to have your stakeholders involved (such as HR being in on the development of the HR-portal or Sales working on resources important to sales opertunities etc.) is a vastly important thing to businesses.

Remember in Office Space the guy who took the requirements from the business users and brought them to the programmers? Well that roll is going away. Part of what is squeezing that "translation" role away are more and more tools that let business users be more involved in the development.

Once upon a time Architects and Project Managers came from IT/Development backgrounds - more and more today they are coming from business. I don't want to make it sound like the sky is falling here. But as these WYSIWYG tools and other tools that enable more rapid development are becoming increasingly important.

So don't overtly dismiss these kinds of tools. Businesses are looking for ways to save on expenses, to hire less resources (we are not people, we are resources) etc. And if buying a program that can only do 90% of what they would ask of a developer great!

Also remember that there are a LOT of crap programmer's out there. So often those tools actually produce better code that the crappy would-be "web-master" they hired before can do.
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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 26 July 2011 - 03:10 PM

i have an idea... WYSIWYG editors are taking jobs from web developers, why not make your own WYSIWYG editor? if your job can be done by a computer then you need to think about trying for a different job. thus far, the average person cannot create an application because they lack the background required to implement the logic.

even if robots become the major labor force, someone still needs to make robots, someone needs to engineer them, and someone needs to program them. until the day everything is so perfect that no one will ask for more, and everyone can get what they want at the flip of a switch jobs will still exist.

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Re: Programming career longevity

Posted 27 July 2011 - 01:46 PM

View Postishkabible, on 26 July 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

i have an idea... WYSIWYG editors are taking jobs from web developers, why not make your own WYSIWYG editor? if your job can be done by a computer then you need to think about trying for a different job. thus far, the average person cannot create an application because they lack the background required to implement the logic.

even if robots become the major labor force, someone still needs to make robots, someone needs to engineer them, and someone needs to program them. until the day everything is so perfect that no one will ask for more, and everyone can get what they want at the flip of a switch jobs will still exist.

You thought of that idea too late. Haven't you noticed all the middleware going on?
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