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Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 11:37 AM

I'm working on updating our company website and I've come across something very frustrating. In the header part of the site, there is a white line that appears directly above a picture in a table. I don't want this white line there so I tried everything I could think of to get rid of it. I've tried setting the border to "0" in both the CSS and HTML but I cannot get it to disappear. I was trying to search for solutions around the web and I think the problem is because there is a conflict in the table formatting between my HTML and CSS.

Here is HTML for the header:
The picture that is getting the white line is the SiteBanner2.png.
<div id="container">
	<div id="header">
	    <table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-colapse: colapse;">
		<tr>
		    <td width="50px" border="0" valign="bottom" align="center" style="background-color: transparent;">
    	    		<h1><img src="images/TitleLogo.png" alt="Logo" hspace="4px"></h1>
	    	    </td>
	    	    <td width="950px" border="0" valign="middle" style="background-color: transparent; border-colapse: colapse;">
	    		<h1><a href="/">Langeloth Metallurgical Company</a></h1>
        		<h2>An Affiliate of Thompson Creek Metals</h2>
	    	    </td>
		</tr>
	    </table>
	<h1><img src="images/SiteBanner2.png" alt="Photos"></h1>
        </div>





Here is the CSS for the site:
body {
	background: #000000 url('images/bodybg.png') repeat-x scroll top left;
	margin:0;
	padding:0;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	color: #555555;
	<img src="images/logo2.jpg">;
}
* {
	margin:0;
	padding:0;
}
/** element defaults **/
table {
	width: 100%;
	text-align: left;
}
th, td {
	padding: 10px 10px;
}
th {
	color: #fff;
	background-color: #9D0019;
}
td {
	background: #fff;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #d0d0d0;
}
code, blockquote {
	display: block;
	border-left: 5px solid #ddd;
	padding: 10px;
	margin-bottom: 20px;
}
blockquote {
	border-left: 5px solid #9D0019;
}
blockquote p {
	font-style: italic;
	font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	margin: 0;
	color: #666;
	height: 1%;
}
p {
	line-height: 1.5em;
	margin-bottom: 20px;
}
a {
	color: #25567B;
}
a:hover {
	color: #333333;
}
a:focus {
	outline: none;
}
fieldset {
	display: block;
	border: none;
	border-top: 1px solid #e0e0e0;
}
fieldset legend {
	font-weight: bold;
	font-size: 13px;
	padding-right: 10px;
	color: #222;
}
fieldset form {
	padding-top: 15px;
}
fieldset p label {
	float: left;
	width: 150px;
}
form input, form select, form textarea {
	padding: 5px;
	color: #333333;
	border: 1px solid #ddd;
}
form input.formbutton {
	border: none;
	background-color: #9D0019;
	color: #ffffff;
	font-weight: bold;
	padding: 6px 10px;
	font-size: 12px;
	font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;
	letter-spacing: 1px;
	width: auto;
	overflow: visible;
}
span.required {
	font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #ff0000;
}
h1 {
	color: #999;
	font-size: 35px;
}
h2 {
	color: #666666;
	font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	font-size: 33px;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-style: italic;
	padding: 0 0 5px;
	margin: 0;
}
h3 {
	color: #9D0019;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-size: 20px;
	margin-bottom: 10px;
}
h4 {
	padding-bottom: 10px;
	font-size: 15px;
	color: #555555;
}
h5 {
        font-weight: normal;
	padding-bottom: 10px;
	font-size: 13px;
	color: #666666;
}
ul, ol {
	margin: 0 0 35px 35px;
}
li {
	padding-bottom: 5px;
}
li ol, li ul {
	font-size: 1.0em;
	margin-bottom: 0;
	padding-top: 5px;
}
#address {
        font-size: 12px;
	line-height: 1px;
}
#columns {
	width: 670px;
	background: #f0f0f0;
}
#columns .column {
	position: relative;
	width: 46%;
	padding: 1%;
	background: #f0f0f0;
}
#columns .left {
	float: left;
}
#columns .right {
	float: right;
}

#container {
	width: 980px;
	margin: 0 auto;
	padding: 0;
}
#header {
	padding: 20px 0px;
	margin: 0 auto;
	border: 0;
}
#header3 {
	padding 40px 15px;
}
#header h1 a {
	font-family: Calibri, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 57px;
	font-weight: normal;
	text-decoration: none;
	letter-spacing: 3px;
	font-style: bold;
	border: none;
}
#header h2 {
	color: #B8001F;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	letter-spacing: 2px;
}
#header3 h1 a {
	font-family: Calibri, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 60px;
	font-weight: normal;
	text-decoration: none;
	letter-spacing: 3px;
	font-style: bold;
}
#header3 h2 {
	color: #B8001F;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	letter-spacing: 2px;
}

#body {
	float: left;
	width: 670px;
}
#content {
	padding: 10px;
	background: #f0f0f0;
	margin: 0;
}
.headbarleft {
	width: 100px;
	padding: 0px;
	float: left;
}
.headbarright {
	width: 900px;
	padding: 0px;
	float: right;
}
.sidebar {
	width: 280px;
	padding: 0;
	float: right;
}
.sidebar ul {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	list-style: none;
}
.sidebar ul li {
	margin-bottom: 20px;
	line-height: 1.9em;
	background-color: #e6e6e6;
}
.sidebar li ul {
}
.sidebar li ul li {
	display: block;
	border-top: none;
	padding: 6px 7px;
	color: #777;
	margin: 0;
	line-height: 1.5em;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul li a {
	font-size: 12px;
	font-weight: normal;
	color: #666;
}
.sidebar li ul.blocklist li {
	padding: 0;
}
.sidebar li ul.blocklist li a {
	display: block;
	padding: 10px 8px;
	font-size: 14px;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
	text-decoration: none;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul.email li {
	display: block;
	padding: 10px 8px;
	font-size: 14px;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
	text-decoration: none;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul li a:hover {
	color: #222;
}
.sidebar h4 {
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	background: #9D0019 url('images/h4-bg.jpg') repeat-x scroll top left;
	border: 2px solid #7B0012;
	font-size: 15px;
	letter-spacing: 1px;
	margin: 0;
	padding: 7px;
	font-weight: bold;
}
.clear {
	clear: both;
}
#footer {
	background-color: #222;
	padding: 5px
}
#footer p {
	text-align: left;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 11px;
	margin: 0;
}
#footer p a {
	color: #fff;
}
#cfooter p {
	text-align: center;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 11px;
	margin: 0;
}







Sorry for the slight disorganization. I have also attached a picture of the header so you can see what I'm talking about. I know it's going to turn out to be something really simple and stupid, but I have been struggling over it for quite some time to where it has just become annoying. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 11:49 AM

fieldset {

060 display: block;

061 border: none;

062 border-top: 1px solid #e0e0e0;

#e0e0e0; = white



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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 12:35 PM

I tried that before, but it still appears. I tried deleting the line as well as changing the color code but no change. Thank you for your help btw.
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 12:40 PM

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.
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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:01 PM

you spelled collapse incorrectly - without further investigation on my part, that may be the problem.

edit:: Also this isn't really a table is it? You should probably use <div> or <span>..

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:05 PM

nice pick up on the spelling and it looks liek he only uses the table for his banner and wording on the header.
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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:15 PM

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

nice pick up on the spelling and it looks liek he only uses the table for his banner and wording on the header.



Yes, but a banner and a header is not a table is it?

<body>
    <h1>Header</h1>
    <div id="ImageBanner">
       <img 1/>
       <img 2/>
       <img 3/>
       <img 4/>
       <img 5/>
       <img 6/>
    </div>
</body> 



Would be much more semantic and have less buggy table issues. Almost all browsers render tables differently.

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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:34 PM

View PostMrWobbles, on 14 October 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

nice pick up on the spelling and it looks liek he only uses the table for his banner and wording on the header.



Yes, but a banner and a header is not a table is it?

<body>
    <h1>Header</h1>
    <div id="ImageBanner">
       <img 1/>
       <img 2/>
       <img 3/>
       <img 4/>
       <img 5/>
       <img 6/>
    </div>
</body> 



Would be much more semantic and have less buggy table issues. Almost all browsers render tables differently.


I miss typed, I meant title logo
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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 15 October 2011 - 09:54 AM

Tables should be avoided where possible. A header or title logo isn't tabular data. You can also float the images instead of using a table.
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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:07 AM

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 01:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


I am currently using IE8, but I have also tried opening it in Chrome and it still appears.

EDIT: I also tried clearing the cache, no luck though.

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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:13 AM

View PostMrWobbles, on 14 October 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

you spelled collapse incorrectly - without further investigation on my part, that may be the problem.

edit:: Also this isn't really a table is it? You should probably use <div> or <span>..



Good catch on the spelling, sorry about that. I did, however, correct it and it still appears.
Also, yes that is the only place I'm using a table. The reason I decided to use a table in the heading like that is because I tried using <div> first but I couldnt get the header content to line up how I wanted it to. I was able to arrange the header how I wanted using a table, but then I got this white line problem. I will remove the table and try again using <div> or <span> and let you know how I come out. Thanks for your help.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:53 AM

Also, your best bet for debugging might be the developer tools, in IE if you press F12 (or Tools -> Developer Tools) it will open them up then you can use the white arrow to select the element and that might give you a clue to where you need to find this white line.

If you already know this then just ignore me.

Just noticed your using a deprecated tag, hspace? I've never seen or used it but, google says its deprecated. What is it doing for you exactly?

If it's centering the image then a better option would be 'margin: 0px auto;' in your css.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 09:32 AM

View PostMrWobbles, on 17 October 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

Also, your best bet for debugging might be the developer tools, in IE if you press F12 (or Tools -> Developer Tools) it will open them up then you can use the white arrow to select the element and that might give you a clue to where you need to find this white line.

If you already know this then just ignore me.

Just noticed your using a deprecated tag, hspace? I've never seen or used it but, google says its deprecated. What is it doing for you exactly?

If it's centering the image then a better option would be 'margin: 0px auto;' in your css.



I used the IE8 developer tools in a couple instances, which was very helpful.

As for hspace, that was in there from one of my desperate attempts at fixing the problem in hope that it would work. I must have forgotten to delete it.

I have solved the problem by removing the table and using <div> tags as everyone suggested. I still wasn't able to get the logo positioned to where I wanted it, so I used absolute positioning to get it right. (not sure if that's the correct way to go, but it works for me)

I'm not sure if anyone's interested, but here's the HTML and CSS so you can see what I changed.

HTML:
<div id="container">
	<div id="header">
	   <div id="headercol1">
	      <div align="right">
    	         <h1><img src="images/TitleLogo.png" alt="Logo"></h1>
	      </div>
	   </div>
	   <div id="headercol2">
	      <div align="left">
                 <h1><a href="/">Langeloth Metallurgical Company</a></h1>
                 <h2>An Affiliate of Thompson Creek Metals</h2>
	      </div>
	   </div>
	   <h1><img src="images/SiteBanner2.png" alt="Photos"></h1>
        </div>




CSS:
body {
	background: #000000 url('images/bodybg.png') repeat-x scroll top left;
	margin:0;
	padding:0;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	color: #555555;
	<img src="images/logo2.jpg">;
}
* {
	margin:0;
	padding:0;
}
/** element defaults **/
table {
	width: 100%;
	text-align: left;
}
th, td {
	padding: 10px 10px;
}
th {
	color: #fff;
	background-color: #9D0019;
}
td {
	background: #fff;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #d0d0d0;
}
code, blockquote {
	display: block;
	border-left: 5px solid #ddd;
	padding: 10px;
	margin-bottom: 20px;
}
blockquote {
	border-left: 5px solid #9D0019;
}
blockquote p {
	font-style: italic;
	font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	margin: 0;
	color: #666;
	height: 1%;
}
p {
	line-height: 1.5em;
	margin-bottom: 20px;
}
a {
	color: #25567B;
}
a:hover {
	color: #333333;
}
a:focus {
	outline: none;
}
fieldset {
	display: block;
	border: none;
	border-top: 1px solid #e0e0e0;
}
fieldset legend {
	font-weight: bold;
	font-size: 13px;
	padding-right: 10px;
	color: #222;
}
fieldset form {
	padding-top: 15px;
}
fieldset p label {
	float: left;
	width: 150px;
}
form input, form select, form textarea {
	padding: 5px;
	color: #333333;
	border: 1px solid #ddd;
}
form input.formbutton {
	border: none;
	background-color: #9D0019;
	color: #ffffff;
	font-weight: bold;
	padding: 6px 10px;
	font-size: 12px;
	font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;
	letter-spacing: 1px;
	width: auto;
	overflow: visible;
}
span.required {
	font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #ff0000;
}
h1 {
	color: #999;
	font-size: 35px;
}
h2 {
	color: #666666;
	font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	font-size: 33px;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-style: italic;
	padding: 0 0 5px;
	margin: 0;
}
h3 {
	color: #9D0019;
	font-weight: normal;
	font-size: 20px;
	margin-bottom: 10px;
}
h4 {
	padding-bottom: 10px;
	font-size: 15px;
	color: #555555;
}
h5 {
        font-weight: normal;
	padding-bottom: 10px;
	font-size: 13px;
	color: #666666;
}
ul, ol {
	margin: 0 0 35px 35px;
}
li {
	padding-bottom: 5px;
}
li ol, li ul {
	font-size: 1.0em;
	margin-bottom: 0;
	padding-top: 5px;
}
#address {
        font-size: 12px;
	line-height: 1px;
}
#columns {
	width: 670px;
	background: #f0f0f0;
}
#columns .column {
	position: relative;
	width: 46%;
	padding: 1%;
	background: #f0f0f0;
}
#columns .left {
	float: left;
}
#columns .right {
	float: right;
}
#container {
	width: 980px;
	margin: 0 auto;
	padding: 0;
}
#header {
	padding: 20px 0px;
	margin: 0 auto;
	border: 0;
}
#headercol1 {
	width: 70px;
	height: 95px;
	float: left;
	position: absolute;
	top: 40px;
}
#headercol2 {
	width: 885px;
	height: 95px;
	float: right;
	padding: 0;
	margin: 0;
}
#header h1 a {
	font-family: Calibri, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 57px;
	font-weight: normal;
	text-decoration: none;
	letter-spacing: 3px;
	font-style: bold;
	border: none;
}
#header h2 {
	color: #B8001F;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	letter-spacing: 2px;
}
#header3 h1 a {
	font-family: Calibri, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 60px;
	font-weight: normal;
	text-decoration: none;
	letter-spacing: 3px;
	font-style: bold;
}
#header3 h2 {
	color: #B8001F;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 13px;
	letter-spacing: 2px;
}
#body {
	float: left;
	width: 670px;
}
#content {
	padding: 10px;
	background: #f0f0f0;
	margin: 0;
}
.headbarleft {
	width: 100px;
	padding: 0px;
	float: left;
}
.headbarright {
	width: 900px;
	padding: 0px;
	float: right;
}
.sidebar {
	width: 280px;
	padding: 0;
	float: right;
}
.sidebar ul {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	list-style: none;
}
.sidebar ul li {
	margin-bottom: 20px;
	line-height: 1.9em;
	background-color: #e6e6e6;
}
.sidebar li ul {
}
.sidebar li ul li {
	display: block;
	border-top: none;
	padding: 6px 7px;
	color: #777;
	margin: 0;
	line-height: 1.5em;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul li a {
	font-size: 12px;
	font-weight: normal;
	color: #666;
}
.sidebar li ul.blocklist li {
	padding: 0;
}
.sidebar li ul.blocklist li a {
	display: block;
	padding: 10px 8px;
	font-size: 14px;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
	text-decoration: none;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul.email li {
	display: block;
	padding: 10px 8px;
	font-size: 14px;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
	text-decoration: none;
	font-style: italic;
}
.sidebar li ul li a:hover {
	color: #222;
}
.sidebar h4 {
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	background: #9D0019 url('images/h4-bg.jpg') repeat-x scroll top left;
	border: 2px solid #7B0012;
	font-size: 15px;
	letter-spacing: 1px;
	margin: 0;
	padding: 7px;
	font-weight: bold;
}
.clear {
	clear: both;
}
#footer {
	background-color: #222;
	padding: 5px
}
#footer p {
	text-align: left;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 11px;
	margin: 0;
}
#footer p a {
	color: #fff;
}
#cfooter p {
	text-align: center;
	color: #fff;
	font-size: 11px;
	margin: 0;
}





Thanks again everyone for your help. :smile2:

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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:51 AM

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...
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Re: Why does this white line appear in my table?

Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:34 AM

View PostLemur, on 19 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...


wow since Lemur likes to go to all my posts and give me neg for no reason maybe I should do the same to him.....

Anyways Lemur I believe I said CACHE in my response or maybe you just can't read or maybe your just a douche bag but in either case you still can't read................

View PostLemur, on 19 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...


wow since Lemur likes to go to all my posts and give me neg for no reason maybe I should do the same to him.....

Anyways Lemur I believe I said CACHE in my response or maybe you just can't read or maybe your just a douche bag but in either case you still can't read................

View PostLemur, on 19 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...


wow since Lemur likes to go to all my posts and give me neg for no reason maybe I should do the same to him.....

Anyways Lemur I believe I said CACHE in my response or maybe you just can't read or maybe your just a douche bag but in either case you still can't read................

View PostLemur, on 19 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...

View PostDarenR, on 14 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

have you tried looking on another computer or even browser to see if it shows up? It could just be the browser. IE 8 and 9 tend to store info even after you clear cookies. You would have to clear the cache in that case.


It's called cache and it's a feature common on ALL browsers...


wow since Lemur likes to go to all my posts and give me neg for no reason maybe I should do the same to him.....

Anyways Lemur I believe I said CACHE in my response or maybe you just can't read or maybe your just a douche bag but in either case you still can't read................
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