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Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:12 PM

Apparently there's some interest in arguing about gun rights. Can't be arsed, myself, but howsabout we beat on that horse over here, and let the folks who are following the breaking news have the other thread?

So, just for flame-bait:

I think all gun ownership should be legal...

... but possession of ammunition should be a felony.
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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:18 PM

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It's the person that kills, not the gun. Ban people!

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:28 PM

So you're in favor of an armed citizenry, then? And, perhaps, a minimum daily alcohol consumption?
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:29 PM

Guns don't kill people... Rabbits do.
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:31 PM

Not viewable in USA, sadly.
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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:31 PM

oh god no, not another one of these threads.

Also, saying guns kill people is like saying pencils make spelling mistakes.

/thread

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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:33 PM

i leik gunz lulz:

Arguably NSFW:
Spoiler

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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:34 PM

inb4 that long poetic missive about sheeps and sheepdogs in relation to gun control laws.


edit:
hey use spoilers for NSFW stuff since many of us post FW.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:38 PM

Ha! I'd forgotten that one. I respect it about as much as I respect the master key man-slut argument.
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:38 PM

The sheep and sheepdog analogy is insulting to all parties involved and you should not take seriously anyone who repeats it.
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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:40 PM

I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing.. Now time to go dress up like an old lady for some unsuspecting prey.

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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:06 PM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 08 December 2011 - 01:12 PM, said:

I think all gun ownership should be legal...
... but possession of ammunition should be a felony.


Do you live in California? I ask because that seems to be their approach. After failing to outlaw guns entirely, they took a different strategy and went after regulating ammo.

The new governor also changed an earlier law. In the past you could open-carry a gun legally as long as it was unloaded. There was also no law again having the magazine on your belt. Thus it was legal to open carry a gun and ammo so long as there wasn't ammo in the gun. I've done it several times. Gotten stopped a couple times too. They check my ID. Start to interrogate me about it. I ask if they have had a complaint, do I match a description for a nearby suspect, have I broken any laws... They say 'no'. I say 'Ok. I won't keep you from your duties any longer. Have a nice day.' It irks the shit out of them to be dismissed like that but there is nothing for them to do. More important to me is the upholding of my rights and reminding them they are public servants not the S.S.

That has changed. Now you can't do that any more. Oh well. In the same way I don't patronize businesses that post "No guns allowed", I no longer patronize California. Its very simply: I don't give money to businesses that try to take away my constitutional rights.

There are 40+ other states that are happy to get my business.

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I don't really see what the argument about gun rights is. Its a constitutional amendment right. Done. Move on. Quit wasting all the tax dollars that could be better spent elsewhere.

It doesn't matter if you agree with that one amendment or not anyway. The bigger picture is whether you want to keep all of your rights. Its more a case of "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it." If you start cutting up the constitution (and its amendments) you do two things:
  • You shit all over the selfless acts of bravery carried out by every member of the armed forces for the last 200+ years that have served, fought, killed and died to protect those rights and YOU.
  • You open up a legal precedent can of worms you will never get closed again.
First its guns. Then its speech. Then its religion. Don't laugh. THere are plenty of groups that would love to see the door opened so they can re-class the Muslim faith as a cult {for terrorism} and therefore not a protected religion. When that happens Buddhism, Jewish, Mormonism and every other faith are at risk.

The government is already pushing the bounds of 4 & 5 & 6 (search and seizure, due process, speedy trial) by giving Homeland security the ability to detain American citizens without pressing charges for an open and unspecified period of time if they are even suspected of having terrorist ties. Its really loosely worded. If I donate money to a charity. And later that charity turns out to a be a scam/front for something I had no idea about: I could be in Gitmo.

Its a slippery slope when you start taking away people's rights.

You don't see atheists protesting to abolish freedom of religion for the betterment of society. The argument is sure there. Billions of tax dollars are lost every year on tax free property. How many people every year come forward about molestation charges against the clergy? The argument about it being a club for pedophiles could be made in the courts. I'm just saying that just because I don't believe in a given thing doesn't mean I have the right to have it taken away from someone else. This country was founded on these freedoms and that seems to have been forgotten. The current major war is more about Muslim extremists trying to wipe out all of Christendom than anything else. Its just relation for the crusades anyway.
Do you believe in god? No. <bang> your dead
Do you believe in god? Yes. My god? No. <bang> your dead.
Its a war over who has the best imaginary friend for crying out loud.


The more crap I see our government pulling the more I agree with:
Fear the government that fears me having a gun.
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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:15 PM

View PosttlhIn`toq, on 08 December 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 08 December 2011 - 01:12 PM, said:

I think all gun ownership should be legal...
... but possession of ammunition should be a felony.


Do you live in California? I ask because that seems to be their approach. After failing to outlaw guns entirely, they took a different strategy and went after regulating ammo.


Well, I'll be golly-gosh-darned. The guy down at the shop said this flame bait would work, and I just caught me a big one!
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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:15 PM

Actually the government has more guns than you could own legally or illegally, I don't think they would be afraid of you. Other people fear other people who have guns and then it's a world where everyone owns a gun because they're afraid of everyone else who has a gun so they want bigger guns so they aren't as afraid.

The best weapon is one you never have to use.

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Re: Arguing about gun rights

Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:19 PM

I wonder how long it'll take to get pencils banned if I start stabbing people with them.
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