[WolfCoder]

[Bellum]

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despite the fact that these people hate the shit out of each other in their private lives, they still work along side each other no problem.

... well except for those rich cunts. Fuck those rich fuckers in the ass!

That's the south in a nutshell, yeah. No idea how we manage it.

[Sethro117]

Since I'm the sexiest mofo alive I knew what it was like to be sexually harassed on a daily basis at work. That's why I started working for myself from home. Now I'm the only one who can make snide comments and touch this

[AlbuquerqueApache]

synlight, on 14 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

WolfCoder, on 14 December 2011 - 01:22 PM, said:

Yeah that's one thing, I know it's for discussion but be sure not to mention that you're a female who codes. It's kind of like the "gamer girls" who keep telling you they're "gamer girls" while they are probably not really gamers and perhaps not even girls VS. the real "gamer girls" who are just gamers.


Turn your uneasiness into rage, that's the best way to get rid of it.

wow, who taught you how to code? the dark lord of the sith? Awesome.

HAHA! Your hate has made you powerful!!!!!!

[lordofduct]

Sethro117, on 15 December 2011 - 08:02 AM, said:

Since I'm the sexiest mofo alive I knew what it was like to be sexually harassed on a daily basis at work. That's why I started working for myself from home. Now I'm the only one who can make snide comments and touch this

brown chicken, brown cow

This post has been edited by lordofduct: 15 December 2011 - 07:26 AM

[AlbuquerqueApache]

NeoTifa, on 14 December 2011 - 06:25 PM, said:

My opinions are highly ignored, the foreign guys with more "traditional" cultures give me dirty looks and scowls, etc. During the programming competition, my partner wouldn't listen to at least half of my suggestions, and as soon as he left, I did what I suggested and the shit worked. Not saying that in particular was sexism, but just an example of the crap I put up with on a regular basis. Even my family say "why do that? Why don't you just do bartending like your cousins? That's nerdy, girls aren't nerdy."

Awwwww that sux! Nerdy girls are very much needed! and need to be nurtured! Because I would by far rather have a conversation about programming/computers/software/whatever vs one about The Notebook or twilight *shudders*

[LoveMeSomeCode]

Yeah, don't pay any attention to that. There's a lot of people out there screaming doom and gloom and to hear some people say it we have 100% unemployment and everyone's on the verge of eating each other. It's a huge exaggeration. Personally, I get job offers every week. I was laid off a few years back and it took exactly 5 days to find a job paying way more the one that laid me off. I do have a few years under my belt, but no degree. I get offers all the time for what I consider to be good salaries.

As to being a woman, yeah, I've only worked with one in 8 years. She was good, but she did have balls of steel. Good coder. You will likely be the only woman in your shop, but the upside is that most people in this business are huge nerds, and it's all about the work. If your kung fu is strong, you'll get respect.

[AlbuquerqueApache]

Yeah, the job market isn't THAT bad. It is tougher than it was a decade ago. But it's not completely horrible.

[jon.kiparsky]

tlhIn`toq, on 14 December 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

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I wonder what I will be facing in the workplace when I graduate with my shiny new Programming degree.

A job where you ask "Do you want fries with that?"

The degree just says you can get through school. It doesn't say anything about your skills. In a down economy where employers can get senior coders with 10+ years of experience for the pay of rookies... Why would they actually hire a rookie with no track record and little actual experience in the real world / job market?

Sorry to be so blunt - but that's just the world right now. Its a down economy and a "buyer's market" when it comes to hiring.

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I wonder if I'm going to have an uphill fight to be taken seriously as a coder.

Stop wondering. You will. But it will be as much or more about your age and inexperience as about gender.

I have to say this is a fairly dismal piece of analysis - in both senses of the word. Yes, there are coders out there with lots of experience, but there are a lot of people looking for people they can train to the particular technology stack they're using. There is a sense, justified or not, that many coders with ten+ years of experience have established their preferences, and won't necessarily get with the program at a company like mine which uses an idiosyncratic mix of technologies. Someone who can come in and how themselves as willing to learn will be more likely to get in the door than someone who can come in and show that they know how they'd do it - because we don't do it that way.
Not every company has this attitude - there will be companies that want old-line unix hackers and those that want grizzled .NET veterans, but those aren't the only companies out there.
So, to the OP, if you get rid of the "can't code her way out of a paper bag" idea then there are companies that you will be able to get in at. You only need to get hired at one company at a time. Find that company. And remember to keep your resume up to date, there's always someone hiring out there.

[AlbuquerqueApache]

I'm sure sunlight is just being funny!


I'm sure she can code her way out of a paper bag like so:

 
  //I'm a java guy not a C++ guy
  // soon to try Obj-C

   public static void main (String[] Args) { 

   bag paperbag=1;

   me= AA;

   paperbag.wayoutOfPaperBag(me);

   System.Println("Here is the way out!" + me);

} 

See! not that hard!

[stayscrisp]

AlbuquerqueApache, on 15 December 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Because I would by far rather have a conversation about programming/computers/software/whatever vs one about The Notebook or twilight *shudders*

Way to throw a sexist/gender stereotype comment into the mix

[jon.kiparsky]

lordofduct, on 14 December 2011 - 06:51 PM, said:

ccubed, on 14 December 2011 - 11:12 PM, said:

Tact, someone's lacking it.

though blunt, I think what dorknexus had to say is a very important thing to recognize in this modern world of "equal rights".

There is a BIG difference between sexism as power, and horny sex actions. A guy whistling is not harking back to the days where women were second class citizens, whistling at a woman is harking back to the persistent and still existing high sex drive and desire of a male to have sex, while not pulling the power trip of whacking her on the head with a mallet and dragging her by her hair into a cave...

Forcing someone to put up with your "horny sex actions" only works if you have power. I don't care who you are, if I'm in the office with you it's because we're both there to get a job done. I don't want to put up with your weird fantasies of what we could get up to in the server room or at your place after work, or on your desk after hours - I don't want to play, and I don't even want to know about it. And because I'm a guy, I usually don't have to put up with that. The CEO of my company, who is a woman, doesn't have to put up with that because she'd fire anyone who was stupid enough to come across with it.

If a particular male can't keep his pecker in his pants while he's at the office, both metaphorically and literally, he should be fired or made to work in a cage. I won't work in a place that tolerates that shit, and I think men generally should police their own. It shouldn't be put on women to have to tell these pathetic yobs to fuck off. Common decency requires that we make sure the pathetic yobs are informed that zero-tolerance for harassment is the policy.

[xclite]

jon.kiparsky, on 15 December 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

And because I'm a guy, I usually don't have to put up with that.

Made me think of the movie "Horrible Bosses" =p

[AlbuquerqueApache]

stayscrisp, on 15 December 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

AlbuquerqueApache, on 15 December 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Because I would by far rather have a conversation about programming/computers/software/whatever vs one about The Notebook or twilight *shudders*

Way to throw a sexist/gender stereotype comment into the mix

*grumbles*

my bad.....

[muhkayla]

From my personal experience, any sort of sexism I've encountered on the job has simply come about as a result of stereotypes. When people call the IT office, and I answer the phone, they assume I am the secretary most times and ask to talk to an IT worker. Same thing happens when people walk into the office needing help, I get asked "Is anybody in IT around?" For some reason, lots of people assume I work in HR. I actually have a laugh about it with the people I help. I think people are just so used to seeing a man in the job that they don't mean to be sexist, it's just 90% of the time, they'd be right.

In fact, I'd go so far to say that sexism is partly my fault as well. When I first got the job, I assumed people didn't trust me to fix things because I'm a woman - they'd usually wait for one of the guys to come back. I've learned my gender had jack shit to do with why people didn't trust me. You need to prove you can do your job. Once people know you're competent, they couldn't give a damn about your gender. So it was my bad for thinking they were sexist, and I feel silly for assuming that.