[Serapth]

This is wierd, i've been using Visual Studio for a very long time, since moving over from Borland, around version 5 or 6.

In that entire time, I don't think I ever experienced Visual Studio crashing my machine, and have had Visual Studio crash perhaps a dozen times... It simply put is a rock solid application, perhaps one of the best Microsoft has ever made.

I am not saying Visual Studio is the perfect app. Once you start adding 3rd party plugins, things can get a bit sketchy ( this is true of all plugin apps though ). I have had the remote debugger hang and had some across network authentication issues, and worse of all is the @#$@#$@$ing help service, where it would take HOURS to rebuild the damned help index when you made a change, but frankly this annoying glitch is excised in Visual Studio 2010.


Considering Visual Studio is always open on my PC, it's stability is downright amazing.

anonymouscodder, on 20 January 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

No, I would give up visual studio because I've seen a lot of VS installs magically crashing or showing up misterious error messages (netbeans style) or 'eating up' tons of memory (being an
IDE is no excuse to allocate what I've seen).

And I really enjoy being cross-platform, but that's just me.
Today a new kid decides to get into programming, he choose a set of tools and go. Experimenting around, one day he decides to try out this 'linux'. He's IDE choice will be a frustation or not when migrating to this new world?

I'm not trying to start a discussion about VS, I'm just saying that other IDEs are perfectly fine. I believe that a simple IDE for programming as a hobby it's pretty sweet. Unless such tool X becomes necessary, KISS.

Anyway the most important thing it's try it out.
Don't use our opnion as yours, use it as a start to build your own.

I develop on Windows almost exclusively, but on those times I need to work on other platforms, switching is almost trivial. I worked a stint of 6 months at a place that worked exclusively on Linux with gcc and the IDE of choice, for various mostly valid reasons, was Emacs, and even switching over to Emacs ( which is bizarre as hell ), I was up and working confidently in less than a week. ( But boyo did I miss Visual Studio! ).

IDEs arent really something you need to learn, you can pick up the basics in a couple days and the rest of your skillset is mostly trasnferable across platforms.

[civicdude95]

I agree, Serapth, and would add that in my opinion, knowing the language (C++ in this case) is way more important than what IDE you prefer. Think of it this way, I am of the opinion that VS and other IDE's that have intellisense contribute to programming laziness. Think about it, if I'm a programmer and I have my VS to fall back on and develop code in, why should I have to remember what functions/methods I'm allowed to use in a given situation whenever VS will just tell me what's available. I think that it leads to programmers being less skilled because they aren't as able to debug their own code when they have a great IDE/debugger that will tell them what's wrong. Don't get me wrong, I use intellisense and the VS debugger all the time and I love VS and have used it for over 6 years now; but the purest in me thinks that only relying on the intellisense to write "correct" code is being lazy.

That said, I'm off to go code some stuff in VS2010

[ButchDean]

You have clearly never worked on a large code base with time constraints.

Please demonstrate how Intellisense 'writes your code for you'.

This post has been edited by ButchDean: 20 January 2012 - 06:48 PM

[civicdude95]

ButchDean, on 20 January 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

You have clearly never worked on a large code base with time constraints.

Please demonstrate how Intellisense 'writes your code for you'.

Apologies, I may have been unclear as to what I meant. I was trying to say that, while I love Intellisense and very much appreciate the speed it offers when it comes to coding faster, I feel that at times, for newer programmers, it spoon feeds them a little too much. I remember programming in VI in a Unix shell back in school and the satisfaction I felt from coding programs without Intellisense.

It's mostly one of those "back in my day..." types of arguments that I'm making. These days, I don't know if I would ever go back to the non-Intellinsense days.

[ButchDean]

I programmed almost exclusively on UNIX when I was a student, working on Neural Nets, parallel computing and genetic algorithms. I can also tell you that back in the day a tool like Intellisence would have been magic.

Intellisence isn't there to write the code for you at any level, it assists in in preventing errors - some of which could take an eternity to find that a split second with Intellisense helps you spot immediately. Secondly, I think it is also a great tool for new programmers since it lets them focus on the logic of their code over having to split their attention over silly mistakes.

You can't dismiss it as helping to create lazy programmers, since lazy programmers don't write good code anyway.

[stayscrisp]

Frankma5, have you had any luck with getting this set up?

[Frankma5]

No i installed Visual Studio and got it working but i still don't like Visual Studio

[ButchDean]

lol

[Frankma5]

i know i feel bad for using Visual Studio

[stayscrisp]

[civicdude95]

Frankma5, on 21 January 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

No i installed Visual Studio and got it working but i still don't like Visual Studio

Lol as well, especially after our little thread hijack. I'm sorry you don't like VS, it really is one of the best IDEs out there imho.

[Serapth]

I recently tried out QtCreator and damn, its pretty nice and came out of nowhere. If you don't much like Visual Studio, and are willing to go your own way with little support ( not a lot of tutorials or documentation, although Nokia's docs are pretty decent ), you should surely try it out.


Yes, even if you aren't using Qt.

This post has been edited by Serapth: 21 January 2012 - 03:45 PM