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T2 : Job termination

Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:05 PM

There are plenty of topics about how to build a resume, how to land interviews, how to get in & be selected for that job! There are even topics about being the one that conducts the interview. Being an interviewer & helping to select the perfect candidate.

Lets look at the other side. The dark side. The chicken-head cutting side of management. Job Termination.

Ever done it? Have you had to look into the eyes of the once perspective, & send them on their way? Did they just not cut it? Were they not "Initech material".

Or have you got an interesting story about the time you were the one getting the heave-ho. Getting canned. "The company is going in another direction"

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

The only time I've ever got fired was from a washing up job when I was 16. My work was in a restaurant kitchen, keeping the dishwasher full and running. I kept spilling the apparently expensive, salted, dishwasher water on the floor, and so I lasted half a day before they gave me the elbow. Doing such a terrible job gave me a lot of motivation to get into relatively professional work, such as technology.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:14 PM

When I was Asst. Manager at a Auto Parts Store I had to fire a guy because the manager was too spineless to do it. I do not like to get into arguements and have a pretty laid back management style. When I talked to this guy he knew it was coming so it wasn't that hard. He just couldn't cut it and couldn't remember how to do anything. Asking what key to press to access the parts catalog everyday was a little much. I felt bad for the guy but honestly I think he wanted to be let go because he didn't want to quit. He almost seemed relieved.

On the other side of things. I have been the witness on many occasions for people being fired for stealing, logging wrong hours, and other general bad stuff that you don't do. The manager would have a witness in the room to verify what happened in case that person came back with some crazy claims. I have seen people break down and cry, yell back at the boss, just get up and walk out without saying a word, and throw things. You just never know how people will react.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

I saw one of my managers get fired. I used to work at a hardware store. The regional boss called the store and asked if the manager was there. When he found out that he was, he took the manager into the backroom. A few minutes later the manager that got fired came storming out. He was beyond mad but he didn't do anything crazy. He just got in his car and left.
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Re: T2 : Job termination

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

When I was in college I worked at a call center part time. This dude got sent home because he got caught masturbating. Bear in mind this place was set up with rows of computers, not individual cubicles, I have no idea how he thought he wouldn't get caught.

On top of that he showed up at his next shift, evidently he thought he was only sent home early last time and not actually fired :eek:
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:04 PM

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Ever done it?

Yup.

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Have you had to look into the eyes of the once perspective, & send them on their way?

One was even a 60ish year old lady who liked to knit. A few slack asses. A few scatter brained ones. Thieves. Liars.

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Did they just not cut it?

Yeah one was performance based, and the others were varied. Few refused to take their allotted phone calls; others couldn't handle that four or five types of phone calls came in and required a few seconds to look at the screen, recognize the call type, and then read a different script. Others stole shit. Others lied about being sick, lied about sexual harassment, and so on.

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Were they not "Initech material".

A few were... they couldn't make it out of the two week paid training.

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Or have you got an interesting story about the time you were the one getting the heave-ho. Getting canned.

Maaaaaaaaaaan so many stories. When I fell through the cracks at Target... when I had to escort old ladies out so they wouldn't destroy the call center in a knitted fit of rage... being on the panel for a buddy getting fired based on his call quality.. and having to escort him out only to meet up at a strip club.. on and on and on..
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:36 PM

I've been laid off/fired once. Knew it was coming in advance, had my office cleaned out and every single bit of my code (and theirs) safely at home on a thumb drive with my PC literally barren but for the OS.

The asshole who fired me thought he'd make a big embarrassing showing to the rest of the office in firing me. He thought I'd be doing the shame walk out the door with a cardboard box of my stuff (he actually brought the box and walked down the hall with it to my office) and he gets to my door to announce his sorrow at letting me go. I handed him the termination letter he'd typed up earlier in the week, pre-signed, told him I'd taken the liberty of correcting his spelling mistakes that his intention to suggest that witnesses be present whilst I removed my things so that I didn't try and steal anything was laughable and unnecessary as all my things had been removed several days prior.

I proceeded to tell him that the copy of my employee file had better match the one his predecessor had me send to the head office for all of us prior to his departure (it didn't) and that if he'd like to erase all the blatantly erroneous reports of back-dated malfeasance on my part that he'd added just a few weeks before (I was the document repository admin for crissake) that I'd be happy to supply him with an original copy. As he vociferously denied he'd done any of this and that this entire thing hadn't been orchestrated for the better part of a month (which pretty much everyone else in the office already knew as I'd gone about quietly to about half of them the day before to say my goodbyes) I proceeded to take the opportunity to express my feelings about his personality, character, personal hygiene habits and the questionable matings practices one of his parents seemed to possess. I used profanity in the office place.

My heart was frickin' hammering and I recall my face and hands being physically numb as I drove home (from all the adrenaline I'd guessed). The wife and I went out to celebrate with friends that evening. It was a weird day. Aside from the losing-my-job part, it was one of the best days of my life. :)
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

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my PC literally barren but for the OS

Just a word of warning to all the folks out there reading this - while it might be some what okay issue to have a copy of everything on the hard drive it is *NOT* a good idea to scorch the earth and remove everything from your hard drive. That's code you created on company time thus company property and destruction of such is not cheap in the courts.

Example - preexisting squirrely guy at the office rage quit a few months into my gig. Boss was toying with re-hiring him on for three months as a contractor for twice the pay to finish up the knowledge transfer to the rest of the team. Boss then decides to log into this guy's pc "just to be safe". Bossman finds the guy thought it was a good idea to delete all his code on his pc. Legal department is brought in and lawsuit starts. In the meantime the hard drive has some recovery processes ran on it - and between that and the backups we believe we have it all... but the law suit continues.

Lesson learned - sure burning a bridge is acceptable - destroying company property/code is not.
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Re: T2 : Job termination

Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:23 PM

View Postmodi123_1, on 24 February 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

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my PC literally barren but for the OS

Just a word of warning to all the folks out there reading this - while it might be some what okay issue to have a copy of everything on the hard drive it is *NOT* a good idea to scorch the earth and remove everything from your hard drive. That's code you created on company time thus company property and destruction of such is not cheap in the courts.

Example - preexisting squirrely guy at the office rage quit a few months into my gig. Boss was toying with re-hiring him on for three months as a contractor for twice the pay to finish up the knowledge transfer to the rest of the team. Boss then decides to log into this guy's pc "just to be safe". Bossman finds the guy thought it was a good idea to delete all his code on his pc. Legal department is brought in and lawsuit starts. In the meantime the hard drive has some recovery processes ran on it - and between that and the backups we believe we have it all... but the law suit continues.

Lesson learned - sure burning a bridge is acceptable - destroying company property/code is not.


Indeed and a valid truism in almost all cases. Of course, there was more to this than what I mentioned:

  • The code on my machine wasn't the only source. Just what I worked with day to day. They had everything that rightfully belonged to them.
  • The asshole had tried to make a point several months earlier of coming into my office after hours and deleting every family photo and .mp3 file I had (this was back in the day before things like iTunes, Rhapsody, etc). Unfortunately, in the process, he also deleted code for two internal projects that hadn't been saved off. Lost 2-3 weeks of work...and he denied having done it despite the access log file showing his personal logon to my machine several hours after I'd left that day. It was a rather central bone of contention. And violated about every company internal rule we had.
  • What he was actually after was software I'd written for personal projects and from which I'd draw snippets for things I was doing for them. I'd written a nifty (for its time) little file writer/creator that allowed us to build entire websites inclusive of the database, tables and a initial set of data...and then destroy itself upon completion. They had a copy of that piece but he tried to make the claim that they owned everything I'd ever written when I refused to hand over the rest of my personal code projects. To be clear, this was stuff I'd written long before I started there or for side contracts I'd taken earlier in my tenure whose ownership was clearly spelled out in the employment agreement I signed with his predecessor. He'd always hated that and when I told him no, he tried to steal it.

But yes, in general, the situation I had there was somewhat unique. When I did offload all the code and files and such to the central server, I'd done it properly and had the network admin stand there in my office and watch me do it and I'd made it clear to him at the time what I was doing and why I was doing it. The following Monday I got an email from asshole asking where all the code on my machine was and I told him it was on their central server. He basically called me a liar and I copied the entire email at that point to the network admin and asked him to verify what had been done previously. He did and even did me the favor of copying corporate. That was the last formal communication I had with that company.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:36 PM

Yes, I had no doubt on your unique situation but it needed to be said in case someone picked up the wrong idea.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:54 PM

At one of my first IT work places, I had the horrible duty of making tape backups of soon-to-be-terminated employees. Sucks when you're eating lunch with the guy & he's talking about buying the Jag he's been eye-balling & you just look at your salad as you quickly lose your appetite.

I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore.

But point is, that if you want to burn a bridge, lawyers burn your ass worse. Any smart company is going to take measures to safeguard their own equipment prior to letting you go. So if you decide to get destructive or creative, you're really just creating a case that is going to land you in a court-room.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:01 PM

That's right. All very true. In my defense, the people they'd have to call to safeguard their IT assets were me and the network admin (who reported to me). The division I worked for was small 10 people or so and the asshole in charge was a salesman.

In terms of IT gigs, you had technical people reporting to sales people which is also known as "a nightmare".

...oh but the loads of stories I have about that place. :)
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:22 PM

I have been laid off. Or rather, my trial employment was not put into an employment.

The reason was that I was not selling as I should. So, I was giving good technical support. Customer was happy with me. I just did not sell any extra warranty or what you want to call it.

But no worries. The new rules that came into play about half through my trial employment made me not want the job anyway.
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