Microsoft is at it again with their shady, downright unethical choices

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:10 PM

Exactly, it's up to the MANUFACTURER to implement the system. It's on THEM if they lock you in.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

Go back to the gasoline example. It's Chevy's fault if Rocket Fuels puts some tricky additive in their gas to prevent you switching to AstroGas?
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

what does that even mean?

You have your analogy backwards.

Ok, so Rocket Fuels is Microsoft, AstroGas is linux, and your chevy is the computer (and computer manufacturer).

Rocket Fuels didn't put an additive in their gas. They designed a mechanism that makes running your truck on Rocket Fuels better (more secure). Chevy can elect to implement this mechanism, and as long as the mechanism is active, you must use Rocket Fuels fuel. If you want to start using AstroGas fuel, you must deactivate the mechanism.

The mechanism was not mandatory, if you don't want it, don't by a chevy with the mechanism installed. And it's reversible even if you do.

If Chevy makes it difficult to deactivate the mechanism, it's not Rocket Fuels fault. That's Chevies fault for poorly installing the mechanism Rocket Fuels created.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

Your analogy is a bit faulty there. It would be more apt to say Rocket fuel has an additive to make your car run better and more safe... but if you want to use other gas then you can go a head - Chevy has a switch to allow flip your engine's filter/pc/ah.. widget to allow you to do that.. and then chevy hides the switch..

but arguing analogies is silly.

Speaking of rocket fuel and cars - here's a picture of Peter flying a truck.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

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Or are you saying [apple is evil] as well?


Yeah, I think I already said so. This is one reason why I don't use a mePhone.

Now stop a minute and give your knickers about half a crank counter-clockwise. (remember: lefty, loosey, righty, righty!) Stupid and evil is nothing new in the business world, it's what people in business do. Are you surprised to find that successful businesses make decisions that are both stupid and evil? Do you think this is shocking? Do you think I'm calling for a boycott, or a march on Redmond? No, I'm just saying that what was described sounds both stupid and evil to me.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:27 PM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 31 July 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Go back to the gasoline example. It's Chevy's fault if Rocket Fuels puts some tricky additive in their gas to prevent you switching to AstroGas?


In order for this analogy to work, Chevy would have to sell you the car with Rocket Fuel in it. And they say, this car only works with Rocket Fuel... actually, wait, this analogy can work.

Chevy sells you a diesel engine automobile. Don't put regular unleaded or E85 in the diesel engine. Yeah, you could possibly modify the engine to use unleaded or E85, but chances are the manufacturer would no longer support any engine problems.

If a manufacturer sells a computer with Windows 8 and decides to lock it with UEFI, then they did that for a reason. Assuming they don't provide the work around, you either accept that the computer you bought will only run Windows 8, or you flash the BIOS yourself and put whatever you want in it. It probably voids the warranty so the manufacturer doesn't have to fix it when your computer crashes due to you installing Linux/Mac OSX.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

I think you're using the words stupid and evil a bit brashly. In a... cough... stupid way. You're exagerating the words. It actually reminds me of a debate where you criticized my use of the word 'hate'.

@Celerian - still not a good example, because you can't easily REVERSE a diesel engine into a gasoline engine.

modi said it perfect. It's like there's a switch to change it between Rocket Fuels and AstroGas.

Oh... and it's not required. Microsoft requires it to receive the certified windows tag at sale. But if I buy it, turn it off, I can continue on using Windows 8 just fine. So it's a switch that can be turned on or off, everything works when off, and only Rocket Fuels works when on...


Why would you turn it on? Because it allows you to take advantage of a feature made available in Windows 8... I mean Rocket Fuels fuel.


That's the thing, it's not like this was designed solely to lock you in. It actually has a function, and that function is for security. (if you don't trust it's security and think it's superfluous, well that's just your opinion on the quality of the product, not the purpose of the product). It first and foremost is a security feature, to allow the security feature to FUNCTION it locks the computer up.... cause you know, lock up, security, that's what security is about. If you no longer want the security feature (say, go to linux where it's not available), you TURN IT OFF!

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:35 PM

They're pretty simple words. If you don't agree with the usage, I guess I'll just have to live with that.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:36 PM

Derp dunga me so blargh.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:42 PM

That was the ten-minute argument, and that's all you get for the trial. If you want the full hour, you'll have to pay for it.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:06 PM

i knew this would be a totally reasonable thread the moment i read the title.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

you got some awesome Korean music out of it...
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:17 PM

twitter beat you to that one by a good 36 hours.

i still watched it again though. it kills me each time he yells at the yoga butts. (and yoga butts are the best butts)
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:45 PM

Goddamnit, give me a month, two at the outside, and I'll have a working prototype solution for this shit- and I'm not talking about rootkits.

Also, has anybody else noticed that there seems to be one korean guy who has been endlessly cloned over the last 40 years or so? The yoga-butt song guy is one of the clones, and I know at least a handful of others who I can only tell apart thanks to the benefit of different ages, haircuts, and scars.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

oh they would all look the same to you
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