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MarkMonitor: Coming on line.

Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:16 AM

Oh it looks to be a more interesting and entangled world... The Center for Copyright Information will be finally releasing the hounds and out for blood; sort of. Their new automated mechanism will be grabbing IP and feeding them back to the ISPs with pamphlets and literature.. or something. It's a convoluted mess of "CCI isn't kicking anyone off the 'net - that is up to the ISPs (who we totally lean on and coherence to do it".

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It is about to get a bit more difficult to illegally download TV shows, movies or music online.

A new alert system, rolling out over the next two months, will repeatedly warn and possibly punish people violating digital copyrights. The Copyright Alert System was announced last July and has been four years in the making.


Who's up to bat first:

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If you use AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner, or Verizon as your Internet service provider, you could receive the first of one of these notes starting in the next two months.
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ISP's just the delivery kid:

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The Internet provider is delivering the message, but the legwork is being done by the copyright owners, which will monitor peer-to-peer networks such as BitTorrent.
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Well.. not quite so innocent.

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They use a service called MarkMonitor, which uses a combination of people and automated systems to spot illegal downloading. It will collect the IP addresses of offenders, but no personal information. The IP addresses are turned over to the Internet providers, which will match up the address with the right customer and send the notification.
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Phase 1: Please take a pamphlet.

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The warning system is described as a graduated response. First the Internet provider will let the customer know that their Internet connection is being used do download content illegally. The note will include information to steer them away from their life of crime, including tips on how they can download content legally.

There will also be tips on securing Internet connections, just in case you were unaware that your neighbor was downloading season three of "Dexter" using your unprotected wireless network.

"The progressive series of alerts is designed to make consumers aware of activity that has occurred using their Internet accounts, educate them on how they can prevent such activity from happening again," the CCI said in its announcement today.
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Phase 2: Sit in the corner and think about what you did.

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After the educational phase, the customers will be asked to acknowledge that they received the warning. If they continue to download content illegally, the alerts will threaten mild punishments, such as forcing the copyright violator to read "educational materials," or throttling their Internet connection so that it is slow, making it harder to download large files.
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Phase 3: Ah, er, what?

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Today's announcement claims that terminating the Internet service is not one of the options.
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She also underscored that “termination of a consumer’s Internet service is not part of any ISP’s Copyright Alert System program,” meaning that the CAS itself does not terminate anyone’s Internet connection, nor does it bring lawsuits. Rather, the ISPs and rightsholders themselves could take steps to do that themselves.
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Phase 4: Appeal to.. take it off your permanent record?

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If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them $35 according to the Verge.
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Solutions: Tor and VPN.

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As many Ars readers no doubt realize, the CAS program would do little to stop those with the technical sophistication and knowledge of how to cover one’s tracks online through the use of a VPN, Tor, or other digital obfuscatory tools. When Ars pointed out to Lesser that the CAS would probably not do much to dissuade those types of users, she acknowledged: “I think that’s probably right.”

But she added that a “large majority” of people using file-sharing networks are not “fully aware of the implications of what they’re doing.”

“We are, I think, going after Joe Consumer,” she said. “We are not going after people who have spent time trying to be sophisticated pirates
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When: End of the year.

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The launch date is consistent with what Lesser told Ars last month, when she said program would begin before the end of the year. (The original target for launch was December 2011.)
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I was about to ask if anyone has a solid (cheap) VPN if I want to surf and not have the perpetual specter of some watch system on my ass, but if Tor helps then fare enough. I find it unnerving that I would have to pay to have a shred of anonymity on my activities.

Does anyone have any more information on this new app coming on line, or are you just going to rely on your neighbor's wifi network?

As it is - you've been warned. If anyone gets nabbed for some "reeducation" I would like to hear about it.

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Re: MarkMonitor: Coming on line.

Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:27 AM

View Postmodi123_1, on 19 October 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Does anyone have any more information on this new app coming on line, or are you just going to rely on your neighbor's wifi network?

Well that's assuming that the reader (you are asking) pirates crap from p2p networks, which I have never done.

My understanding of Time Warners policy dates back to the mid 2000's (like '04 or 05') when someone in our roms trading group got busted for pirating (sourcing to others) PS2 games. Apparently Sony used some packet sniffer to view the networking headers for what internet traffic was being sent. Sony also worked hand in hand with Time Warner to keep their products safeguarded. Thus it didn't matter what transmission package one used, the guy that got busted was provided a 3 page packet of paper listing his activities of digital payloads. If they are going to use the same manor of detection, I'm not really against it. I am against a $35 fee to question it, in the event of a renegade employee using a p2p network &/or an unsecure network issue.

This is a much more acceptable suggestion than SOPA.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

This sounds like it's begging for abuse. I think it's time to start telling my less techy friends about tor.

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Well that's assuming that the reader (you are asking) pirates crap from p2p networks, which I have never done.



I don't downloaded pirated content either, but anytime you tell me someone's going to monitor what I'm reading, doing, saying, I figure it's good to get my defenses together.

Pretty sure the next thing on the list will be tor, vpn software and the like. "Why do you need that, citizen? It could be used to subvert the ForYourOwnProtection filters, you know"

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This is a much more acceptable suggestion than SOPA.


That's setting a pretty low bar, my friend.

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Re: MarkMonitor: Coming on line.

Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 19 October 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

That's setting a pretty low bar, my friend.

As I stated though, I've seen this sort of behavior before. The owners of the content asking the ISPs to play along is nothing new.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:56 AM

My issue with the whole thing is: NO it is not a more acceptable suggestion than SOPA.

If I choose to download something off of the internet, it is my prerogative!
The whole guilt trip about the poor sufferings of Nicki Minaj or Little Wayne living in the slums because Pathetic Paul torrented their shit is a bullshit excuse and a piss poor premise for an argument that will only result in someone standing on their soapbox preaching the equivalent of a religious zealot trying to convert an athiest, or a gun toting conservative right wing cowboy trying to convert a socialist hipster liberal cock jockey into voting for one of the other douche-bags polling for power in the upcoming election.

You want to combat piracy so fucking bad, make it more accessible to retrieve content. When I try to be legit

Quit price gouging me on content. (eg. I will gladly pay you for an ebook about raising farm llama's - no I will not pay more than the cost of the physical copy, nor will I pay the same price.)

You want me to buy your music - I proudly support lesser known artists - as they are the real victims of file sharing. Give me some good music.

If I own a physical copy of Anne Murray and the Cornhole Cowboys I should have the right to download it for a digital backup.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:05 PM

Jon's right - it does sound like they are setting up the partitioning of people.. the "average joes" who could only turn on their computers if it had a bag of bacon cheese fries stapled to the on button" and "the evil malicious super hackers" which would consist of anyone else that might know about something like TOR.

Of course it sounds like jon is going to move the innocent sheep into the watched predators den. Ha.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

View Postno2pencil, on 19 October 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 19 October 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

That's setting a pretty low bar, my friend.

As I stated though, I've seen this sort of behavior before. The owners of the content asking the ISPs to play along is nothing new.


I got one question though - what are you going to do when they come for your porn? :)

View Postmodi123_1, on 19 October 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Of course it sounds like jon is going to move the innocent sheep into the watched predators den. Ha.


I'm also trying to get my friends to start sending their email encrypted.
You know - more noise, less signal.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 19 October 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

View Postno2pencil, on 19 October 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 19 October 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

That's setting a pretty low bar, my friend.

As I stated though, I've seen this sort of behavior before. The owners of the content asking the ISPs to play along is nothing new.


I got one question though - what are you going to do when they come for your porn? :)

I don't download it.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:21 PM

Who the fuck downloads porn?
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

Nicki Minaj & Little Wayne? *(beee-kishhhhh blip blip.... BONG beee-kisshhhhhh)*
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:31 PM

Do they send a physical letter or do they depend on the email address that most IPS provide during sign up that most people never sign back in to?
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

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View PostNykc, on 19 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Who the fuck downloads porn?


Not Choscura, apparently. He's too busy gettin' busy...
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

View PostNykc, on 19 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Who the fuck downloads porn?


I love the combination of street-tough language and wide-eyed naivete, by the way. It's adorable.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

How do they attest the provenance of copyright? and thus infringement?

Does a claim of/ for prior creation and thus copyright rights, would make the "original claim" of copyright invalid.
Also it would make their claims of copyright infringement invalid (as they ain't the right holder) and subsequently liable for compensation, and possible charges of committing fraud.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:31 PM

View Postmodi123_1, on 19 October 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Jon's right - it does sound like they are setting up the partitioning of people.. the "average joes" who could only turn on their computers if it had a bag of bacon cheese fries stapled to the on button" and "the evil malicious super hackers" which would consist of anyone else that might know about something like TOR.

Of course it sounds like jon is going to move the innocent sheep into the watched predators den. Ha.


I am an "evil malicious super hacker". N1c3 t0 m33t y0u.... b1tcH!

See how I did that? I spoke in h4x0r lingo and putting on the word "bitch" which made me all evil. Muahaha!

Anyways, I am back to watching that puppy video supersloth put out on twitter.
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