[mouse88]

I changed the target framework for my project from 4.5 to 3.5. I had a few errorr messages about the Microsoft.CSharp reference so I changed the framework back to 4.5. Now when I run the application the first form is just dead and doesn't seem to do anything. My first form has a progess bar which is updated using a timer but it doesn't update just stays as it is and nothing happens.

Any ideas?

Regards
Matt

[tlhIn`toq]

mouse88, on 02 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Any ideas?

Uhhhhh.... You haven't done any debugging??????????

mouse88: What this shows us is that you aren't familiar with breakpoints and how to debug your own code.

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Learning to debug one's own code is an essential skill. Sadly, one that apparently few college courses teach. Silly if you ask me.

Placing breakpoints and walking through the code line by line allows you to actually WATCH it execute.

Visualizing what your code does will let you see why it behaves the way it does.

It would be well worth your time to do the tutorials on FAQ 2. A couple hours learning this skill will save you hundreds of hours of confusion in one project alone.


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• Q: My program doesn't work. I didn't show you any code or actually tell you the error message. How do I fix it?
  
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  A: What have you tried so far? It is a requirment of this site that you at least make an effort to research (read the MSDN) and code a good faith effort for your own problem. Can you share your current code with us and better explain what issues or errors you are getting?
  
  Give us something to go on
  
  
  
  
• Q: I do x and y happens which I didn't expect but I don't know how to figure out why. How do I debug and find my problem?
  A:
  Spoiler

  • Debugging video 1: Breakpoints and Local variables
    
  • Debugging video 2: Advanced breakpoints
    
  • Debugging tutorial
    
  • Debugging tips
    
  • Debugging in detail
    
  • Great debugging tips
    
  • It still doesn't work, article
    
  • Debugging tools survival guide
    
  • Video: Tips & Tricks to use Visual Studio to the fullest
    
    
    
  • 5 return dataset.Tables[tableName].Columns.Count;
    A condensed line like this makes a lot of assuptions that everything goes right, and gives you nothing to check or debug.
    
    If only for R&D / Debug purposes it can often be advantagous to break down the line
    
    

    if (dataset != null)
    {
       if (datase.Tables != null)
       {
          if (!string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(tableName)
          {
             if (dataset.Tables[tableName].Columns != null)
    

    
    
    Now you can put a breakpoint on the top line and walk through it with F10 and check every object. You also don't try to manipulate a thing that doesn't yet exist.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  How do I?
  
  
• Q: ...get Form 'A' to make a change or talk to Form 'B'
  
  Spoiler

  
  NOTE: Don't try to access GUI controls across forms. Its wrong. Nobody will hire you if you do this sort of crap. It violates every guideline for 'black box' programming, Separation of Responsibility, loose binding of components, and event driven programming. Read the tutorials and learn to do it right the first time so you don't develop bad habits that you just have to un-learn later.
  A:

  • See this thread for the simplest of example code between two forms.
    
    The tutorials below actually teach and explain it further.
    
  • Passing values between forms/classes
    
  • Bulding an application - Part 1
    
  • Building an application - Part 2
    
  • Quick and easy custom events
    
  • Delegates, Lambdas and Events
    
  • http://www.codeproje...g-Windows-Forms
  
  
  
• Q: ...make a binary to int calculator
  A: Read my article
  
  
• Q: ...make a tabbed web browser?
  A: Read this thread
  
  
• Q: ...make a password/login form?
  A: Password handling tutorial
  
  
• Q: ... get all the sub-folders of a folder, and the sub-folders of those, to get all the levels of directories?
  A: Its a technique known as recursion.
  
  Spoiler

  
  The GetDirectories() method will get all the directories in a folder, then call itself with those directories... which in turn get all the subfolders and calls itself with those folders... which get all the subfolders and calls itself with those folders... Recursively calling itself as it drills down.
  
  It is demonstrated on the MSDN
  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303974
  
  
  
  
• Q: ... browse for/open a file?
  Read this tutorial
  
  
• Q: ...make a chat or client-server application?
  A:Client/server chat tutorial
  Peer-to-peer chat
  
  
• Q: ... get my program to programmatically simulate a mouse click or button press?
  A: Simulate mouse and keystroke (even to another application)
  
  
• Q: ... save data, save properties, save environmental variables, serialize my data/class?
  A:
  Spoiler

  • Separating data from GUI - PLUS - serializing the data to XML
    
  • Working with environmental variables
    
  • Writing a text file tutorial.
    
  • Reading a text file tutorial.
    
  • Easy Application Settings example
  
  
  
• Q:... get sound in my program?
  A: Adding sound to your C# application
  
  
• Q: ... use the serial port?
  A: Serial port communication
  
  
• Q: ...do compression or .zip files?
  A:
  • (de)Compression tutorial
    
  • Zip files tutorial
  
  
  
  
  
• Q:Make a progress bar work on its own thread to show progress to the user while work is being done?
  A: Background worker tutorial
  
  
  
  
  
• Q:...do multi-threading? Having a problem with cross-threading...
  
  Spoiler

  A:

  • Cross thread calls tutorial
    
  • How to use a thread pool.
    
  • Decouple your multi-threaded work from the GUI so forms don't hang
    
  • thread synchonization
    
  • Advanced threading
    
  • MSDN asynch communication
  
  
  
• Q: ...Why my multi-thread throws a cross-threading error when it tries to update my GUI?
  A: Your thread shouldn't be trying to affect any GUI at all: Ever.
  
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  But when I kick off the background worker and it goes to change a label in this panel

  
  
  I'll stop you right there. That underlying principal for your program is the problem and just won't work. The worker is a different thread than the one that created the GUI.
  
  Background threads do not, ever, directly access anything that they didn't make. Period. Accept that and start re-designing.
  
  Background worker raises events. You main class that makes this background worker has to subscribe to those events. Then that thread can update its GUI.
  
  This is how is it meant to work. Each 'thing' in a program really should have only one purpose in life and cause no side affects. The background worker should do its job and nothing else. Its job is not to manage the GUI. The GUI thread's job is to manage the GUI.
  
  Think of it this way: Your car dashboard has one job: To be the GUI for your car. But if the speedometer dies you don't want that to keep the engine from starting. The speedometer and the engine are 'loosely bound' for a reason. Your program is the same. You need the GUI to run whether or not the background worker does, and you want the background worker to run regardless which GUI you have on display.
  
  So the background worker is kept ignorant of which panel you have up. It just says "I'm 50% done". If you have the simple panel or the complex panel on display doesn't matter. It hears the event and does whatever it is designed to do to display those results. Maybe the simple panel uses a progress bar, while the advanced panel display the exact percentage. The background thread doesn't know or care how it is shown.
  
  

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  So my main application should make a dozen threads to update the dozen similar controls?

  
  
  To me that sounds like the main application is doing too much work and micromanaging the other controls. If the main application is coded for 12 background threads and panels, what happens in 6 months when you want to add a couple more panels? You have to update all your infrastructure to support them.
  
  Personally I would make UserControls that consist of the Panel, its own backgroundworker and any pure objects that you might want to serialize for later restoration. The idea is to make a complete and fully self-contained 'Lego Block' of functionality. Then use your application to just hook them all together.
  
  Now you can place 2 of your custom controls on screen... or 20... and they each take complete care of themselves. Only when one of your custom controls raises an event like LogThis(string message) or HighLevelWarning(int level) does the application have to do anything. The bulk of the work is done within the UserControl
  
  In each of these UserControls I would create methods for Start() and Stop(). Let the UserControl handle its own needs.
  
  Your main application should do nothing more than:
  
  

  StartAllPanels()
  {
     foreach(CustomPanel cp in myPanelsCollection)
     {
        cp.Start(); // Tell the panel to start
        cp.WarningMessage += WarningHandlerMethod; // Subscribe to warning event
        cp.LogThis += LogMessageHandlerMethod; // Subscribe to logging event
     }
  }
  

  
  
  See how your main application has no idea what the panel needs to do to start up? It doesn't try to micromanage the panel and tell it to start it's backgroundworker. The main app is blissfully ignorant of the inner needs of the component. Its like a the driver of a car. The driver doesn't tell the car: Close 12v power, start fuel pump, begin ignition computer, calibrate fuel/air mix, confirm foot is on brake, start ignition... The driver just turns the key to Start(). Your application should be the same. It only needs to know what it NEEDS to know. Let the rest of the parts take on as much responsibility as you can push on them.
  
  Spending a little time on these tutorials before writing any more code should help you with a better understanding of all this and enable you to architect a better blueprint for your application. Work smarter not harder.
  
  The tutorials below walk through making an application including inheritance, custom events and custom controls, object serialization and more.
  Quick and easy custom events
  Bulding an application - Part 1
  Building an application - Part 2
  Separating data from GUI - PLUS - serializing the data to XML
  WPF version (WPF-MVVM data binding)
  Passing values between forms/classes
  Decouple your multi-threaded work from the GUI so forms don't hang
  
  
  
  
• Q: ... make my textbox offer suggestions as the user types. (Autocomplete)
  A: Creating an auto-complete textbox
  
  
• Q: ... make a textbox just accept numbers and not letters?
  A: Read this thread
  
• Q:I get an error when I try to use a textbox for numeric values and the user types non-numbers. What do I do?
  A:
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  We see this a LOT, especially with rookies using textbox for numeric input.
  
  Any input that can't be converted to a number will do this.
  "5" can become 5
  "yogi" cannot become a number
  string.empty cannot become a number
  
  You would be best off changing from a textbox to a NumericUpDown or to inherit from textbox to make a numerictextbox.
  
  There are a LOT of articles on making a NumericTextBox. Try googling "C# NumericTextBox" and you should find a lot, such as this one on the MSDN:
  http://msdn.microsof...4(v=vs.80).aspx
  
  Once you study the code you'll see that as each key is pressed it is checked to see if it is a number. If not, then it is ignored. Thus the user can only enter numerically valid values.
  
  
  
• Q: ... use PInvoke and the Win32 api calls to get functions not available in .NET framework?
  A: Using the Win32 API Tutorial
  
  
• Q: ... have both a WinForms Windows app, and still have a Console window open?
  
  Spoiler

  A: Make your new project a WinForms project. Then go back to project properties (Right-click on the project, select Properties).
  
  On the Application tab go to the dropdown that says "Windows Forms" and change it to "Console Application." You now have a WinForms application with a console window. I do this on occassion to see my Console.WriteLine statements when I am debugging. But don't consider this mixed mode operation a proper way to release an application for real-world use.
  
  
  
• Q: ... make a username/password logon (login) system?
  A: Read this tutorial
  
  
• Q: ... make global hotkeys?
  A: Global Hotkeys Tutorial
  
  
• Q: ...deal with ',' and '.' being swapped in numbers in some countries?
  A: So you live in a country where "." is the seperator for thousands and "," is the separator for whole and fractional (the decimal point)?
  
  Rather than change your region settings, and expect all the users of your software to do as well, you should fix the bug.
  
  NumberFormatInfo
  Globalization of numbers
  Parsing numeric strings
  
  
  
  
  
  Can someone explain...
  
  
• Q: ... I have these two arrays. One is strings like someone's name and the other is numbers like ages or test scores. How do I keep the two in synch? I want to be able to sort the names and keep the ages/scores binded to the names.
  A: Moving away from Parallel arrays - SUPER tutorial.
  
  
  
  
• Q: What are lambdas? What Is (Obj, E) => ?
  A: Excellent article by Curtis Rutland
  
  
• Q: ... how to do x, y, z with the HTML that comes out of a website ...
  A: Check out the HTML Agility Pack. Yes its free.
  
  
• Q:... how to do x,y,z with a database {probably for the first time}...
  A: Read this tutorial
  Entire section of tutorials
  Parameterizing Your SQL Queries: The RIGHT Way To Query A Database.
  Using SqlDependency to monitor SQL database changes
  
  
• Q: Can someone explain bitwise operations?
  A: Terrific explanation by CodingSup3rnatur@l-360. Be sure to +1 him for this thread.
  
  
  I'm lost while learning xyz... I don't know where to begin...
  
  
• Q:I'm trying to teach myself programming. I'm writing a program to do xyz, rather than following a guided self teaching book or lesson plan or on-line tutorial because I just don't learn from books.
  A:
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  I'm sorry for how this sounds. I tend to take the stance that I can do you more good and give you more long-term meaningful help by being frank and give you adult-level honesty. I don't feel it does anyone any good to coddle them and do nothing but blow sunshine and rainbows up their skirt. I'd rather say something
  to motivate you than feel my place is to bolster your false high self esteem.
  
  

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  I've tried going through those, the only way im learning is through struggling to write code from scratch, the thought process i guess is helping me, i've tried reading sooo much and watching videos but honestly I'm not learning until I actaully type it.

  
  
  I hear this a lot and the only thing I can think is students are buying the wrong books. Or they read the information and don't feel they need to actually work the lessons/exercises. This argument sounds like there are only two choices:
  

  • Develop from scratch even though they haven't learned the language yet.
    
  • Just read C# dictionaries.

  
  
  Maybe this is from students buying the course textbook and reading it on their own, without the benefit of the teacher and their lesson plan and exercise assignments. When one mis-uses the materials, or only has 25% of the materials, of course they won't learn.
  
  Here's a tip when selecting a book: If it is a dictionary of the language it is not a teaching book. Titles like "C# 4.0, The Complete Language" are not teaching books. If the title includes the words "Learn" or "Master" or "Teach" they might be teaching books. "Learn C# in 21 days", "Master C# in 2 hours a night", "Head First C#, A self-teaching guide" Then they are probably teaching books with a lesson plan and exercises to help you build up skills.
  
  Obviously you didn't read the resources list I posted or get any one of the NUMEROUS self-teaching books.
  
  Self-teaching books HAVE YOU TYPING CODE. They are NOT just reading as you describe.
  
  C# is a language just like Russian or English. You cannot learn Italian by just reading an Italian dictionary.
  
  Or even reading an English-to-Italian dictionary. You have to take lessons and do the learning exercises. Those lessons and exercises are developed by professionals to take place in a sequence proven to work, by taking the student from simple to complex concepts. You did not learn how to compose literary works in English by just reading a dictionary. You worked at lessons that taught you the syntactical use of verbs, nouns, additives and so on. You worked lessons that had you build simple things first like "Those are my apples. These are your pencils", and worked up from there.
  
  So why are you trying to "just read" to learn C#? Or why are you insisting on trying to design and code a working program without first learning the language? It makes no sense! Its like saying you have to design and write a mystery novel as your introductory educational process to learn German. Its just a fraking ridiculous argument to try to take or defend.
  
  There are numerous on-line learning series on the internet that have you learning and WRITING code, not just reading. We have them right here on DIC and they have been linked to you several times. There are many good guided self-teaching books, that once again are NOT just reading but teaching through proven methods of:
  

  • Introduce new material
    
  • Have student exercise with new material

  
  
  Yet you insist that you don't need to go the route that has worked for the 3 generation of coders before you:
  
  Representatives of which are here TELLING you that is the way to learn this science/skill/art.
  
  

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  would i be able to take out the private double[] months = new double[12];
  and place it in a method instead of leaving it in a private field, why does it have to be in a private field as opposed to a method in just placing it in the main method?

  
  
  Questions like this last one show just how badly you need to stop trying to write this program and just concentrate on learning the language through some sort of guided lesson plan. This question is filled with so much lack of understanding that it is hard to know where to start in an effort to answer it. To answer this someone would have to back up 5 chapters and help you get a grasp of certain introductory concepts. It's not right to ask that of people that have already devoted tens or hundreds of hours to develop the tutorials we have here. You shouldn't be asking them to repeat themselves because you feel you need special hand-holding or because you don't want to get the right books or because you don't want to actually work the exercises in the books or tutorials.
  
  
  
  
  
• Q: I'm making a maze generator/solver and...
  A: http://www.codeproje...enerator-Solver
  
  
  
• Q: I am making a calculator as my school homework project and ...
  A: Calculator tutorial
  
  
• Q: I've been struggling with this for days/weeks and I can't figure it out and my professor is worthless and can't teach. Can someone here explain it to me?
  A:
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  If you are struggling with how to do this you need to talk to your professor. Let him/her know you are struggling at this early stage in class. Make your professor do the job (s)he gets paid to do by either helping you or finding you a tutor or giving you more exercises from earlier in the book. You are paying for this education. Be an active part in not allowing the teacher to brush you off and let you slip through the cracks. If the other 50 people in class aren't struggling then don't blame the teacher. If the other 50 people are struggling then you all need to go to the professor's superior and tell him/her. If the prof is really incompetent then you don't need to help him keep his cushy 100,000/year job. If the prof isn't incompetent then you need to study harder or consider buying another book on programming. You aren't required to ONLY use the text book provided for the class.
  "How do you resolve your issues" survey.
  
  
  
  
• Q: I am doing a dice game for a school homework and...
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• Q:

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  Hi,I'm currently learning C# in class at the moment and I'm a little bit stuck on what this question means.[...]show me where I can get help,
  
  A:
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  Your professor. That's where to start for a couple reasons:
  1. They are getting paid to teach you. If they aren't teaching you this needs to come to their attention and that of their superiors.
  2. You're the one paying them. Tens of thousands of dollars for your education. You need to learn to take every ounce of knowledge you can from these teachers and not sit passively back and try to learn it on the outside. If you were going to do that then you didn't need to take out all the student loans that are going to keep you in
  
  debt for the next 15 years.
  3. You need to let the teacher do their job. If you are struggling here you don't want to hide it. You need them to be aware of position so they can give you the time and attention you need. Otherwise you will be a little lost on chapter 1. A little more on 2. Way behind by chapter 3. You have to get a good foundation now if you are to gain anything in the later lessons.
  
  
  
• Q: I want to write a program that does x, y and z with features for A, B, and C. {Notice there is no question in this question}
  A:
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  That is a very good statement of intent. Go right ahead. You don't need to announce your intentions to us, nor get anyone's permission. After you have made an effort to your own code (in good faith as described in the Welcome DIC email you got when you joined) and the forum rules that I'm sure you read before posting, and you have a QUESTION about this project... Please post the QUESTION here in this same thread.
  
  There is no need to start a new thread for this same topic.
  
  
  
• Q: I need to code to do x... Someone tell me the code for y...
  A:
  Spoiler

  Your question is about to get bounced for begging for code anyway but...
  So you're asking the volunteers here to write your code for you, to make it do everything in your wish list?
  
  Please read the rules.
  
  You seem to misunderstand what we do here. We help people learn to code. We help people with their projects. We help people better understand the errors and exceptions they are getting so they can fix their issues. We are not a free code writing service. If you have made an effort to code a specific feature, but are not getting the results you wanted then please post the relivant code for that feature along with the error messages or an explanation of what results you are seeing as compared to the results you were expecting, and we will try to guide you onto the right path.
  Read this article!!!!!
  
  
  
  
  Discussion topics:
  
  
• Q: What is the best programming language/OS? What programming language/OS should I learn?
  A:
  Spoiler

  All of them. And none of them. You might as well be asking "What is the best kind of vehicle?" Because the answer for both questions is "It depends on your needs and what personally suites you the best." C, C++, C#, Objective-C, Cocoa, F#, Visual Basic, Python, JAVA...
  
  Are all good languages. They all have their pros and cons. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. Some have stronger footholds in some markets than others. Do you want to write for iPhone/iPad then you need Objective-C. Do you want to write for generic mobile phone use then you need JAVA. And so on. If you have no idea what area of programming you want to move to (Gaming, Financial, Windows, Macintosh, Cell phones) then nobody can advise you on a language. Personally, I would point you to C# because, like it or not, Microsoft owns the desktop computer market and C# will teach you good habits of design, OOP (Object Oriented Programming) design, inheritance and so on: Concepts that translate well to all other OOP languages.
  
  The OS is a by-product of the type of coding you want to do, which in turn dictates the language you need, which then decides the operating system you probably need. Not the other way around.
  
  Do you want to code apps for iOS devices like the iPad and iPhone? Then you need a Macintosh to do it right. Are you hankering to do machine vision programming? Industrial robot control? Financial applications?
  
  What are your programming goals? Do you want to market $9.99 desktop applications to the masses? Do you want to make control systems for helicopters? XBox games requires the .NET XNA framework so you are now in Windows. Do you want to do embedded controls for automotive computers? Do you just love MS Office and love to make extensions for it? Do you want to work on web apps or desktop apps or mobile apps?
  
  Do you now see why we can't even begin to tell you what is best for you? Only you know what you like and what you don't like. Only you know what area of programming is interesting to you. If you ask me for advice I might tell you video processing for the movie industry is great so you should get a Mac. Someone else is going to tell you cool stories of working on CSI lab equipment so you should do C embedded stuff.
  
  The short answer for this question is: Get in touch with your own wants and needs then think for yourself.
  
  Join these discussions on the topic:
  Which coding language?
  VB6 is dead
  C# or C++?
  
  
  
  
• Q: What language should I learn so I can be employable in the future? What's the future of software engineering? What should I study so I can be successful working at home?
  A:
  Spoiler

  Yeah, you're sparking a "Which language is best?" war.
  
  This has been covered so many times here. The short answer is:
  
  They are all good, and they are all bad. You need the right tool for the job. You don't build desktop application in HTML. You have to decide what area of programming you want to do. You talk about "contract work" like it is all the same. That's like saying "Plastics". There are 100,000 different kinds. If you want to code for Xbox games you use a different language and IDE than you do for iPad games. So you need to pick an area of coding you want to work in, then determine what tools are used for that.
  
  As for the questions about "what will be useful in the future?"... We aren't fortune tellers. If we had a crystal ball that told us the future of computing software engineers wouldn't be in the unemployment lines along side welders. And if the senior developers looking for work had that crystal ball, frankly they wouldn't be telling kids fresh out of school what areas to go to so as to create even more competition for those rare jobs.
  
  I think you need to recognize the that software engineering is a job in the real world just like any other. People compete. 1,000 applicants apply for 1 job. That's the real world.
  
  If you want to compete on oDesk, great. Then actually LOOK at oDesk for the desired skills rather than ask us. What contracts are being offered? What technologies are being asked for? What is the pay rate for those gigs? Can you build a system fast enough to make a living at it? Because here's what I notice there most of the time: Someone wants you to build an entire Point of Sale system from inventory to sales counter software, with barcode reader integration and full on-line ecommerce store. The maximum pay is $500. If you can build all of that in 10 hours then you are making $50/hour or around $100k/year. Which is what you need to make considering you are freelance and have to pay your income taxes and social security out of that since you are now your employer. If you can build all of that in 10 hours: Wow! If it takes you 100 hours (2.5 work weeks is still pretty quick) then you are making $5/hour. Can you feed your family on that? Not if you live in a first world country. Maybe if you live in Mumbai.
  
  
  
• Q: How do I become a programmer?
  A: Click the link
  
  
• Q: I'm not really sure what I want to do with my future? Do you guys like programming? I think I kinda like math and games and computers? What should I do or study?
  A:
  Spoiler

  
  You are asking a very vague, generalize question about a broad topic.
  You might as well be asking... What is the best kind of vehicle to buy? Or what is the best kind of plastic to make? It all depends on your needs... Your area of business.
  
  If you are interested in embedded devices like computers that control automobile engines it is still programming - but it is entirely different to writing a point of sale program meant to be used as a self-service kiosk like you see at Home Depot. And that is entirely different to writing a program that is meant to be used on a mobile platform.
  
  You need to make a decision about what kind of programming, what area of interest, what industry you want to work in, before you can worry about the specifics of which language and OS and platform.
  Which Language Should I Learn?
  DIC Tutorials Section
  Good thread on the topic
  Get experience while you find yourself
  
  
  
• Q: What's your installation like? What sofware do you use? What are your Visual Studio extensions?
  A:
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  • Host Operating System - 16gig, quadcore, 3x24" Dell LCDs at 1920x1200 (2 landscape, 1 portrait)
    
    • 20 times of on-line update/reboot cycle
      
    • Device Drivers
    • AVG antivirus
      
    • VMware workstation
    
    
    • VM Operating System
      
      • 20 times of on-line update/reboot cycle
        
      • Device Drivers
        
      • Visual Studio
        
        • ReSharper
          
        • Dotfuscator
          
        • CodeMaid
          
        • XAML regions
          
        • XAML code cleanup
          
        • InstallShield
        
        
      • Expression blend studio
        
      • MS Office
        
      • SnagIt
        
      • Safari
        
      • iTunes
        
      • Fences
        
      • Yahoo messenger
        
      • FoxIt PDF reader
        
      • AnyDVD (I have DVDs from 3 different regions)
        
      • TightVNC
        
      • Dropbox
        
      • AVG anti-virus
        
      • Quicken
        
      • Canon RAW codec
        
      • Shark007 codec pack for Media Center
        
      • Another 20 rounds of on-line update/reboot
        
      • Take a snapshot of the VM machine for easy restoration

  
  
  That is my entire install
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Working for myself/Deploying/Selling software:
  
  
• So you want to be a game programmer...
  
  
• Q:How do I stay a free lance coder for a living?
  A:http://justcreatived...eelancing-life/
  
  
• Q: How do I become a better coder?
  Read this, and practice a lot.
  How to be a better coder
  
  
• Q: Are there any resources for small C# projects a novice to become a better coder?
  A:
  Spoiler

  There is a novice projects thread here on DIC. But here's my advice whenever this comes up:
  
  Look around. Anyone who can't find a dozen projects a day by just walking through life, is doing so with their eyes closed to the world.
  

  • Do you like the weather? What about a program to get the various weather reports from different web sites?
    
    Or to integrate with one of the numerous USB weather station hobby kits on the market?
    
  • Do you like the run? What about a program to log your runs, routes and progress?
    
  • Do you like movies? What about a program to catalog all your DVD's and AVI's?
    
  • Do you like photography? What about a program to browse your images, assign tags and GPS?
    
  • Do you like shooting? What about a program to track your aim and improvement?
    
  • What about every time you walk into a business and someone says "Oh, I'm sorry. The computers are slow/suck.
    
    This is going to take 10 minutes and 25 screens." Sounds like an opportunity to make and maybe even sell them a new program. So go home and make it first before you open your mouth. If you succeed in something great. If you fail, then you know where to study more and you haven't embarrassed yourself.

  
  
  What about every time you walk into a business and someone says "Oh, I'm sorry. The computers are slow/suck. This is going to take 10 minutes and 25 screens." Sounds like an opportunity to make and maybe even sell them a new program. So go home and make it first before you open your mouth.
  
  If you succeed in something great. If you fail, then you know where to study more and you haven't embarrassed yourself.
  
  Go to any of the on-line coder for hire sites. Read the new contract descriptions. DON'T BID ON THEM. Just read them. This will tell you what is requested by employers so you know where you have the potential to make money, and tell you where you should study. Then pick a project and build it. TRACK YOUR TIME. If you don't know how
  
  long it takes you to build a project then you won't be able to bid on contracts. If you bid $50 for 50 hours of work you're going to starve to death. Again, building projects just to learn the technology and learn your own speed and weaknesses is something we all do/did and you need to do too. Once you can build a project just for the learning experience, fast enough that you could have made a competitive bid... Now you can start considering actually bidding on new contracts that are in your skill set.
  
  
  
  
• Q: How do I sell the software I've developed?
  A:http://www.dreaminco...m_notifications
  
  
• Q: How do I decide how much to charge for my application?
  A: Read this
  A lot of questions about freelancing were covered in the Q&A with the Experts thread
  
  
• Q: How do I deploy my program / Make an installer?
  A: C# application deployment project
  Include the smallest .NET possible

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[Martyr2]

Well I haven't known switching target frameworks to just break code that worked before at that specific target level. Have you tried some debugging in the timer to make sure the timer is still executing? That is where I would start my search for a solution. If you know the timer is working then it is something about the progress bar being called on that is probably the problem.

Maybe you can show us the code involving the timer and progress bar?

[mouse88]

Firsty I do know how to use breakpoints and debug my code.

The app does not throw any exceptions when running it however if I publish and install it it gives the error in the attached image.

I have put a breakpoint on the load event of my startup form. The event fires and proceeds to call the first void which loads some user data in to a data table. After completing this it shows the form and just stops doing anything.

Based on the error message and the method that it seems to hang on I assume it is something to do with accessing the database however I didn't have this problem before I changed the framework.

If I look at the count of the rows in the data table it states "Cannot evaluate expressionbe becuase a native frame is on top of the call stack".

Regards
Matt

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[tlhIn`toq]

Hit that button marked "details" - it will tell you a lot

Quote

After completing this it shows the form and just stops doing anything.

Keep F-10'ing to this point. I bet you find its caught in some kind of loop so it can't respond.

You mentioned a progress bar. You did put that in its own thread, didn't you?

Quote

I changed the target framework for my project from 4.5 to 3.5.

You do have backups of the project, right? Did you make a backup before making this big change?
How far back is your most recent backup? It might be faster to re-code an hour worth of lost code than to track down this elusive issue over 3 hours.

[mouse88]

Here's what I get if it hit details:

Spoiler

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.InvalidOperationException: The 'Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0' provider is not registered on the local machine.
at System.Data.OleDb.OleDbServicesWrapper.GetDataSource(OleDbConnectionString constr, DataSourceWrapper& datasrcWrapper)
at System.Data.OleDb.OleDbConnectionInternal..ctor(OleDbConnectionString constr, OleDbConnection connection)
at System.Data.OleDb.OleDbConnectionFactory.CreateConnection(DbConnectionOptions options, DbConnectionPoolKey poolKey, Object poolGroupProviderInfo, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnection owningObject)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.CreateNonPooledConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, DbConnectionPoolGroup poolGroup, DbConnectionOptions userOptions)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.TryGetConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, TaskCompletionSource`1 retry, DbConnectionOptions userOptions, DbConnectionInternal& connection)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionClosed.TryOpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory, TaskCompletionSource`1 retry, DbConnectionOptions userOptions)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionInternal.OpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory)
at System.Data.OleDb.OleDbConnection.Open()
at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.FillInternal(DataSet dataset, DataTable[] datatables, Int32 startRecord, Int32 maxRecords, String srcTable, IDbCommand command, Commandbehavior behavior)
at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.Fill(DataTable[] dataTables, Int32 startRecord, Int32 maxRecords, IDbCommand command, Commandbehavior behavior)
at System.Data.Common.DbDataAdapter.Fill(DataTable dataTable)
at Change_Log.Change_LogDataSetTableAdapters.TblUserDetailsTableAdapter.SelectAllUsers(TblUserDetailsDataTable dataTable)
at Change_Log.Database_Classes.UserDataModule.LoadUserData()
at Change_Log.frmLogin.frmLogin_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.onload(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Nativewindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework64/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
Change Log
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Users/Matt/AppData/Local/Apps/2.0/8233ZA6M.34M/GV1ZV8C0.XXG/chan..tion_803739ff783d3684_0001.0000_c543b751cfc39073/Change%20Log.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.18014 built by: FX45RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Data.DataSetExtensions
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Data.DataSetExtensions/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.DataSetExtensions.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Core
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Data
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_64/System.Data/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Numerics
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Numerics/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Numerics.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Transactions
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.17929 built by: FX45RTMREL
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_64/System.Transactions/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Transactions.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

Stupidly I did not back up the project so I have no choice but to try and fix.

It doesn't allow me to F10 any further it just shows the form as does nothing.

This post has been edited by tlhIn`toq: 02 January 2013 - 03:08 PM
Reason for edit:: LONG details put into spoiler tag

[tlhIn`toq]

So now you have to start debugging the form_load handler. You can see it gets that far.

Right after the form loads you have the frmLogin .Load event - from the ChangeLog class????
Then you load user data. All of these methods should have breakpoints at the start to see if they are being hit and so you can F-10 your way through them.

So I suspect if you breakpoint somewhere in the form creation or load you should see the change log calls... then F-11 your way into the LoadUserData() method and take it from there

[andrewsw]

I might be missing something.. but can you not just use Project, Add Reference and add a reference to the ACE-OLEDB (COM) object library? These references are specific to the Framework you are targetting.

This post has been edited by andrewsw: 02 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

[CodingSup3rnatur@l-360]

Handler methods for a form's Load event have the tendency to swallow exceptions when debugging on a x64 OS. It seems like you might be encountering this problem from how you describe how nothing happens when you step through the Load event handler method.

If that is the case, that suggests you are using a x64 bit OS, in which case you could try setting the the platform/build target of your application to x86 (Right click on project -> Properties -> Build) , as I think that often solves this issue.

EDIT: Or, for a more general solution(s), have a look here.

This post has been edited by CodingSup3rnatur@l-360: 02 January 2013 - 03:58 PM
Reason for edit:: Added link to more general solution.

[mouse88]

Quote

I might be missing something.. but can you not just use Project, Add Reference and add a reference to the ACE-OLEDB (COM) object library? These references are specific to the Framework you are targetting.

I may also be missing something as I don't see this as an available reference to select?

Quote

If that is the case, that suggests you are using a x64 bit OS, in which case you could try setting the the platform/build target of your application to x86 (Right click on project -> Properties -> Build) , as I think that often solves this issue.

I am using a x64 bit OS, I changed my app to x86 and it runs fine from visual studio but hangs the same as before if I publish and install it.

The computer that I will be using it on wont be running a x64 but OS so hopefully it will work.

I will try debugging it again putting breakpoints at the start of each method to try and pinpoint where it hangs. It seems to be where I am running the query using the table adapter but the exception is getting swallowed up so it just shows the from and stops executing the code.

Never had this problem before after just changing the target framework but then again i've never had a x64 OS until I got this laptop.

This post has been edited by mouse88: 03 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

[mouse88]

I have now managed to get this working after publishing it by going in to build, setting it to 'Any CPU' and checking prefer 32-bit.

I assume this is forcing it to run on 32-bit on my laptop but I may be wrong.

I suppose I could say this is fixed but wish I understood why it broke in the first place.

Thanks for the help.

Matt

[Skydiver]

As I recall, most OLEDB drivers are 32-bit only. When your program is compiled with AnyCPU, the JIT detects an x64 OS, and so it will compile your code as x64. When your code tries to load the OLEDB driver, a 64-bit process isn't allowed to load in a 32-bit DLL directly. (You'll have to setup some thunking if you want to do this, but this is usually not in the scope of most .NET programs.)

I'm guessing that by flipping targeted frameworks, Visual Studio (or your IDE) tried to help you out by switching to AnyCPU targets. If you were using source control or backing up your work, you would be able to compare against your past working (and non-working) versions to see what changed.