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[Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

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1. Java 8
2. JVM languages go from strength to strength
3. The increasing importance of Javascript in Java
4. Getting more bang for your buck - harnessing the GPU
5. Java drifts even further into the cloud


http://jaxenter.com/...2013-45938.html

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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

I'm sorry, but when people try to come up with reasons for you to be excited about something, that's usually a sign that it's dead as a herring. Is that what we're meant to get from this article?
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

Eh. I take it as if we should be excited that Oracle is updating Java to keep up with times on a fairly regular schedule, something that Sun didn't really do. Maybe Java will become "cool" again. :)
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

Somebody on a hackernews thread worded it better than I could: "Java is the most depressing language I've ever worked in."

Clearly there are worse languages, but it's *really* hard to get excited about Java after having used any of a long list of languages that feel less like a prison.

Of course, to each his own, but I'm not coming back to my first "real" language any time soon, even if Oracle is adding fun new features that already exist in the languages I prefer to use. The exciting part to me is stuff that goes into the JVM.

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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

View Postxclite, on 07 January 2013 - 04:19 AM, said:

Somebody on a hackernews thread worded it better than I could: "Java is the most depressing language I've ever worked in."


I can't disagree. Every time I do something in Java the past few days, I find myself thinking how I should be doing it in c#. If it weren't for Android, I doubt I'd even be bothering with Java.
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

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3. The increasing importance of Javascript in Java

So Java developers are getting excited about not having to code in Java?
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostAtli, on 07 January 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

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3. The increasing importance of Javascript in Java

So Java developers are getting excited about not having to code in Java?


Or maybe the excitement stems fom JavaFX components being to support Javascript, enabling seamless interaction between the two, like calling java apis from javascript and vice-versa.

Certainly more exciting than php finally getting "classes", no? :)
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

Finally? PHP has had classes for at least 13 years now. Though, granted, they were kind of weird until PHP 5, but that was released like 9 years ago.

I don't know much about JavaFX, but it does seem a bit odd to me to want to call Java APIs from Javascript. I take it this is not so much a server vs client model, like in normal web development?
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:45 AM

View PostAtli, on 07 January 2013 - 06:08 AM, said:

Finally? PHP has had classes for at least 13 years now. Though, granted, they were kind of weird until PHP 5, but that was released like 9 years ago.

I don't know much about JavaFX, but it does seem a bit odd to me to want to call Java APIs from Javascript. I take it this is not so much a server vs client model, like in normal web development?


Eh, who knows, dude. I guess one use case would be JavaFX's WebView class, so it can better work with Javascript for rendering and working with html5 components.

In the end, it is probably something that you can do with c#, so of course the Java community having c# envy, wants to be able to do it too.
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

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If it weren't for Android, I doubt I'd even be bothering with Java.


My sentiments exactly.
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:22 AM

No Java love at all...

I like Java. However, I feel it always indulges my worst programming habit; over engineering. In most other languages, you can control the death spiral of class explosions, but Java seems to lead me there every single time. I end up thinking I could have just hacked it together in Python.

If Oracle owns it, cool really isn't an option.
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Java's great for stuff that's worked on in a distributed fashion - distributed in space or time, or across organizations and is expected to be used by people other than the developer. It's optimized for safe and sane building. Yes, it's over-engineered: it doesn't let you get away with stuff. Yes, if I just want to open a data file to read some data and solve this little problem, I'm annoyed by the exceptions, but if I'm writing some code that has to open files on whatever machine, wherever, and I'm annoyed that I have to deal with exceptional cases, then I really shouldn't be writing that code.

What annoys me about java is that they keep adding crap onto it. Just freeze it already and start working on Sumatra or Tonga or whatever comes next. Then you can fix all sorts of problems - get rid of some of the C language bugs that were imported because in 1996 the language had to work as much like C as possible, make generics smoother, allow a little bit of inference in declarations, that sort of thing. All the stuff that we all know they need to do, but they can't ever do as long as they have to retain source compatibility back to version zero.
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Re: [Link] Five Reasons To Be Excited About Java in 2013

Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:27 AM

After working in Grooyv, Scala, Ruby, or any of the other JVM languages it can be difficult to want to go back to Java. Java doesn't have [X feature], dammit! Lately, however, I find that I really don't care that much. I use Java RESTful services and JSP templates to drive single-page apps or apps with heavy use of Javascript on the front-end. For that task, Java is more than adequate. And it's fast! It's also nice to be able to easily find developers who know how to correctly work in JEE because it's so ubiquitous. It's not the cool kid on the block. It's the nerd who does the cool kid's homework. :)
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