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Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:31 AM

http://www.ussc.gov/

Sweeping anti-computer-people propaganda in 3..2...1...
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:14 AM

Hacking the 'United States Sentencing Commission'? Stellar job.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:32 AM

Yeah, great. Give them another good justification for stupid things like SOPA.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:13 AM

View PostPython_4_President, on 26 January 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

Sweeping anti-computer-people propaganda in 3..2...1...

View PostAtli, on 26 January 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

Yeah, great. Give them another good justification for stupid things like SOPA.

The problem with computer-people is that they forget that 90%+ of the population has no interest in knowing what goes on behind the curtain when it comes to computers. I often forget this myself: Doesn't everyone know at least one computer language?

This problem leads to the false conclusion that SOPA is stupid. It's wrong, and even technically ignorant, but not stupid. We need to get over the idea that the internet should be built for techies and recognize that it's being built for average people. Then we might start helping them make reasonable versions of SOPA. Better yet, we might build an internet that makes it more difficult to spam, pirate, and otherwise abuse average people instead of easier to do these things than ever before.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:23 AM

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BAN ASSAULT COMPUTERS. WHY DO YOU NEED MORE THAN 100 Mbps?!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

Yeah... I'm aware that most people are worthless fucking morons that only use the internet for consumption of propaganda, porn, and telling the world everything about themselves so much so that facefuck and twitter have been declared national security assets.

Yeah.. because just about everyone is dumb as fuck, we need internet IDs and shit like that.

Also, some of the code used in the attack was, authorities say, made with a compiler on something called a Linux... Who really needs a compiler or linuxes? Authorities say, "Less people than you might think... We use Linux at the DoD, and some web servers use Linux, but the average person is fine using WINDOWS 8, and since most people are average, we assume EVERYONE is average."

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:16 PM

So angry today...
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostCTphpnwb, on 26 January 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

...Better yet, we might build an internet that makes it more difficult to spam, pirate, and otherwise abuse average people instead of easier to do these things than ever before.


This is not possible to do in any way without harming freedom on the Internet, or controlling General Purpose Computing. The War on General Purpose Computing is basically when you want people to have machines that do everything "except things you don't like". An open, free, and easy to use Internet is not an Internet that's also easy to spam, pirate, and abuse.

Lots of people I know who aren't even that much into computers are surprisingly savvy about things like this. They pirate things in a sort of odd civil disobedience protest against computer control- though if you accept that digital piracy isn't hurting The Big Corps as much as they say it is, then why are you doing it if it's self-admittedly not effective at causing monetary damage?

I think it's really that sort of double-sided admirable thing to fight for like the freedom of speech. It means you have to be more clever about fighting piracy than a direct oppressive approach.



I know that over 100Mbps computer control thing was a joke but reality has an even more wicked sense of humor. Copyright trolls really do want controls on computers like this. Well, I've got five words for them: "From behind my seven proxies".

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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:34 PM

View PostPython_4_President, on 26 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Yeah... I'm aware that most people are worthless fucking morons that only use the internet for consumption of propaganda, porn, and telling the world everything about themselves so much so that facefuck and twitter have been declared national security assets.

Right, anyone who doesn't realize that the world of computers is infinitely larger and more important than the world from which is sprang is obviously a moron. :crazy:
It's this kind of thinking that makes computer geeks the object of derision in the real world.

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View PostCTphpnwb, on 26 January 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

...Better yet, we might build an internet that makes it more difficult to spam, pirate, and otherwise abuse average people instead of easier to do these things than ever before.

This is not possible to do in any way without harming freedom on the Internet, or controlling General Purpose Computing.

Freedom without responsibility is just chaos. Every system needs rules in order to function, and the problem these days is that we have all kinds of bad people doing all kinds of bad things in the name of "freedom" but what they're really bringing is anarchy.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

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Freedom without responsibility is just chaos. Every system needs rules in order to function, and the problem these days is that we have all kinds of bad people doing all kinds of bad things in the name of "freedom" but what they're really bringing is anarchy.

Goddamn William Wallace! That rouge! That knave!

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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostWolfCoder, on 26 January 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

Lots of people I know who aren't even that much into computers are surprisingly savvy about things like this.


Curiously, techies tend to have a far better grasp of IP issues than most. Probably because we see the damage such things as DMCA and broken patent systems to do things we value. In contrast, "regular" people don't usually care. That's not to say the tech savvy don't pirate, but rather that they understand it's stealing and why. Joe User is just happy to get something "free" and ignore the legalities, hands up to ears.


View PostCTphpnwb, on 26 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

we might start helping them make reasonable versions of SOPA.


There are no reasonable versions.

The assumption is that the user is guilty. That everyone other than the rights holder is responsible for policing their material. The power of enforcement is given to civilians with a vested interest to avoid litigation, leading to individuals getting screwed with no legal recourse. e.g. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=b2KXakxq96w

Most intellectually insulting: the assumption that stolen goods directly relates to lost revenue. i.e The thief who steals a rolex would buy it retail if they couldn't steal it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

So basically we're expected to dumb down? The goal is to raise averages, not pander to twits. The internet came from geeks, and without us it will fall. Simple as that.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

View Postbaavgai, on 26 January 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostWolfCoder, on 26 January 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

Lots of people I know who aren't even that much into computers are surprisingly savvy about things like this.


Curiously, techies tend to have a far better grasp of IP issues than most. Probably because we see the damage such things as DMCA and broken patent systems to do things we value. In contrast, "regular" people don't usually care. That's not to say the tech savvy don't pirate, but rather that they understand it's stealing and why. Joe User is just happy to get something "free" and ignore the legalities, hands up to ears.


View PostCTphpnwb, on 26 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

we might start helping them make reasonable versions of SOPA.


There are no reasonable versions.

The assumption is that the user is guilty. That everyone other than the rights holder is responsible for policing their material. The power of enforcement is given to civilians with a vested interest to avoid litigation, leading to individuals getting screwed with no legal recourse. e.g. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=b2KXakxq96w

Most intellectually insulting: the assumption that stolen goods directly relates to lost revenue. i.e The thief who steals a rolex would buy it retail if they couldn't steal it.

That's basically what Napster's position was, and it's just as wrong now as it was then. Those techies believed that IP was only IP if they owned it, and that musicians couldn't own IP because they weren't techies. They believed that since they had the ability to do what they were doing they had the right.

In addition to the cost of the theft itself, the thief who steals a rolex reduces the value of them all because there are now more on the market as the company needs to replace the lost inventory. Adding one watch to the market may seem trivial, but the loss in value is not zero. The thief who steals the design and copies it does many orders of magnitude greater damage.

View PostLemur, on 26 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

So basically we're expected to dumb down? The goal is to raise averages, not pander to twits. The internet came from geeks, and without us it will fall. Simple as that.

No, we're supposed to play fair. There are many things we can do, but far fewer things that we should do. Do I have the right to destroy or steal your property just because I can? It's extremely unreasonable to suggest that anyone using the internet for any reason should be required to have a technical understanding of how it works. Imagine if we applied your attitude to television: your childhood would likely have been very different if you needed to pass a test on TV electronics before you could watch any programs.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

The internet is not TV. It's the result of a bunch of smart people making stuff that they thought was cool - and that's all it'll ever be. If you want to get different internet, you need to get more smart people making stuff, not more stupid people making rules about the smart people making stuff.
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