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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

View PostWolfCoder, on 28 January 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure your picture was funny but it just says "Posted Image" for me. I had to copy/paste the URL shown when I clicked Quote + Reply to see the picture and I realized the link isn't directly to the image but another web page with the image inside it. This is why I re-upload my pictures to something I can direct link with.

Hmm, seems it's hotlink protected. Probably a good thing. No doubt is a violation of some antiquated law or another to link to it here.

Anyway, fixed.

Wasn't meant to be funny, as such. You guys talking about anarchy and human nature just reminded me of a monologue from one of my favourite bad-guys. He had somewhat similar views. (Which he liked to highlight using explosives.)
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

A real-live friend of mine - not a guy from a movie - used to dismiss the would-be anarchists who plagued our circles pretty handily. "Anarchy is the war of all against all, the state of nature, and in the state of nature you're nothing more than a light snack."
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

And yet none of these actually describe what anarchy is about. Perhaps I would be a light snack in an antiarchy.

(put another way, anarchy is about as much everyone fighting each other as atheism is about hating god).

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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

Or maybe a Disnarchy?

EDIT: You've got a lot of cheek telling anyone what anarchy "is about". Who put you in charge?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

Yeah, the people who generally scream about wanting anarchy the most would usually last the shortest amount of time in a true anarchistic state. Although I guess the terms "anarchistic" and "state" are a bit oxymoronic...
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 28 January 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

...EDIT: You've got a lot of cheek telling anyone what anarchy "is about". Who put you in charge?


Self referential joke is self referential.



* OK I sort of want to be more informative:

"disnarchy" is probably a better word, but that's just words. I used to have the same attitude to anarchy until an atheist who was also an anarchist was making some surprisingly well thought-out arguments. He was drawing analogs to how we don't need a God to be moral beings and such. It was The Atheist Experience and I wish I could link to the clip.

I myself am not an anarchist, but this person actually got me to think critically about my own positions. This is the sort of thing rationalists get off on, so I remember it.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

anarchy is dumb. as a concept, as an everything.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

Don't think I haven't thought critically about my positions. However, if you think critically about anarchism for a little you'll find that it doesn't survive the experience. You can be an atheist without being an anarchist, and tangling the two up in your mind is going to confuse you.

Life without god is pretty much like life, because god makes no difference to anyone's life, positive or negative. (unicorns and leprechauns likewise make no difference to anyone's life, for the same reasons) On the other hand, if you want to see life without government, go to Mali or the south Sudan and tell me how it strikes you.

Anarchist gatherings work great, as long as there's cops and a state to protect them and their laptops and their iPhones and their wallets and their persons. Actual anarchy? Not for me, thanks. Go peddle that to the Teabaggers, they like that sort of thing.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

" and tangling the two up in your mind is going to confuse you."

I'm not.

" if you think critically about anarchism for a little you'll find that it doesn't survive the experience."

"On the other hand, if you want to see life without government, go to Mali or the south Sudan and tell me how it strikes you."

Hence why I'm not an anarchist as I've stated before. It's like how I'm not a socialist, but I like some of the ideas. I personally don't have a clearly defined argument to a specific government type.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

View PostWolfCoder, on 28 January 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

" and tangling the two up in your mind is going to confuse you."

I'm not.


Then stop talking as though you are. Sheesh.
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

Internet is serious business.

We call it... CSS
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostPython_4_President, on 28 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Internet is serious business.

We call it... CSS


Actually, it is.

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Jun 6, 2011
The United Nations counts internet access as a basic human right\
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Frank La Rue takes a hard line on the importance of the internet as "an indispensable tool for realizing a range of human rights, combating inequality, and accelerating development and human progress."
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January 28, 2013
"The Internet plays a very important role today and affects the private life of an individual in very decisive ways. Therefore loss of use of the Internet is comparable to the loss of use of a car,"
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"The ruling shows how fundamental the Internet has become for an informed life. Internet use is becoming recognized as a civil right," said Federal Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger of the ruling,
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:49 AM

View Postmodi123_1, on 28 January 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

View PostPython_4_President, on 28 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Internet is serious business.

We call it... CSS


Actually, it is.

Quote

Jun 6, 2011
The United Nations counts internet access as a basic human right\
...
Frank La Rue takes a hard line on the importance of the internet as "an indispensable tool for realizing a range of human rights, combating inequality, and accelerating development and human progress."
cite1

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January 28, 2013
"The Internet plays a very important role today and affects the private life of an individual in very decisive ways. Therefore loss of use of the Internet is comparable to the loss of use of a car,"
...
"The ruling shows how fundamental the Internet has become for an informed life. Internet use is becoming recognized as a civil right," said Federal Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger of the ruling,
cite 2

Congratulations! You just won an argument on the internet! What are you going to do next?
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Re: Brace for impact

Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:44 AM

Anarchy!

Anarchy is very underrated, when you think about it. Well, OK, maybe not when people HERE think about it, but the remaining functional areas of my brain can't help but draw a comparison between the selfish disinterest for its fellows piranha have when they strip all digestible matter from any unfortunate cows they happen to encounter- by cooperating out of selfish self interest. It doesn't take a lot of brains, fortunately for me, to point out the same parallels in wolves pack-hunting, or thresher sharks corralling schools of fish cooperatively. Even pigeons will cooperate and mob a predator that gets too close. All of these examples of selfish "accidental altruism" are by relatively simple species- even wolves are only fractionally as socially complex as the dogs we might compare them to.

In other words, anarchy works pretty well sometimes. So couldn't we concentrate on getting the information to make good decisions to each other, and the capability to act on these, instead of making decisions as groups- at least some of the time- especially since we tend to enforce the letter but not the spirit of those decisions?

Also, @sloth, betcha $5 I can use anarchy as a tool to get people to do the right thing when they don't have to before June this year.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:49 AM

Choscura is in favor of anarchy? Shocking...
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