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Re: U.S. minimum wage increase?

Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:06 AM

View PostCheribasa, on 16 February 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Well, I went to a weeding about a month ago, and the Pastor said "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" So, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure PA is a Commonwealth.


Why the hell was there a pastor there while you were cleaning up weeds?

So let me get this straight: you think that one of the 13 original colonies somehow didn't become part of the nation that formed after the American Revolution? That Pennsylvania joined for the war, but then decided that the whole "nation" thing wasn't for them? Does this mean that the American flag is a sham? That the four entities that we've been calling states who use "commonwealth" in their title aren't really a part of the US? So should their stars be removed, or are we secretly referring to four OTHER states that we don't know about? Or maybe you should have paid attention in school.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:32 AM

"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" is actually its official designation. Whatever that means.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:41 AM

albuquerque recently raised the minimum wage and this guy refuses to pay it http://www.kob.com/a.../s2935132.shtml

he's not even avoiding the 'real' minimum wage, just the bullshit wage they pay waiters. seriously, if you can't afford 3.83 an hour, just close up shop already.

they won't be getting any of my business.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

Oh FFS.

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1. What is a commonwealth vs. state? Is Virginia a state or a commonwealth?
How many commonwealth states do we have in the U.S.?

There is no difference between a commonwealth and a state in the U.S. To Locke, Hobbes, and other 17th-century writers the term "commonwealth" meant an organized political community -- what we today call a "state." Officially Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Virginia, and Massachusetts are all commonwealths. When Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Virginia, and Massachusetts became part of the United States, they merely took the old form of state in their title.

Today, commonwealth also means a political unit having local autonomy but voluntarily united with the U.S. These are Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:07 AM

View Posth4nnib4l, on 18 February 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

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Evidence Ronald Reagan is a robot? He doesn't know what or how important family bonds are...


Nah, evidence he's an actor.


Or evidence of the onset of Alzheimer's disease.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

I still think it would be better if the minimum wage was 10/hr, the maximum 20/hr, and so called "salaries" were banned.


It should be a felony to pay someone more than 20/hr for anything.
Also a felony to pay someone less than 10/hr for anything.


I do not think we should have a cap on yearly earnings, though, as some people may find it acceptable to work 3/4 of the hours in a year, whereas others may only work 1/4 of the hours in a year.

Of course, this applies to the public and private sectors.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostPython_4_President, on 18 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

I still think it would be better if the minimum wage was 10/hr, the maximum 20/hr, and so called "salaries" were banned.


It should be a felony to pay someone more than 20/hr for anything.
Also a felony to pay someone less than 10/hr for anything.


I do not think we should have a cap on yearly earnings, though, as some people may find it acceptable to work 3/4 of the hours in a year, whereas others may only work 1/4 of the hours in a year.

Of course, this applies to the public and private sectors.

So.... any particular justification on this min and max, or is this just one of your "let's say crazy stuff and have people digress over it"?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

If you eliminate financial incentives to obtain some particular position, then you'll have more people who hold positions they actually care about.

This obviously equates to better products and services.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:26 AM

View PostPython_4_President, on 18 February 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

If you eliminate financial incentives to obtain some particular position, then you'll have more people who hold positions they actually care about.

This obviously equates to better products and services.


I think that's brilliant! And we don't need to stop there: you could actually punish people for doing work, instead of just not paying them. Like maybe floggings every Friday morning - that way you'd really know that the only people doing the job would be the ones who really wanted to - think of the wonderful products and services you'd get! (Except on Friday afternoons, of course)

@modi - do you have to ask?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

F for effort.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostPython_4_President, on 18 February 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

If you eliminate financial incentives to obtain some particular position, then you'll have more people who hold positions they actually care about.

This obviously equates to better products and services.


It worked for The United Federation of Planets! :)
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

View Postfarrell2k, on 18 February 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPython_4_President, on 18 February 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

If you eliminate financial incentives to obtain some particular position, then you'll have more people who hold positions they actually care about.

This obviously equates to better products and services.


It worked for The United Federation of Planets! :)/>


To bad they blew up. :) (Thought I make my first post a funny one. :D)
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

so this was the second post then?
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

View Postsupersloth, on 19 February 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

so this was the second post then?


Probably.

But as far as the minimum wage goes, it does need to go up. I remember someone saying about 10/hr. I would agree with that one more than 9/hr, but it's going to even be a huge undertaking to even get 9/hr.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

Pretty interesting column from Paul Krugman in the Times on Sunday - doing that whole "fact-based economics" thing that he does, he points out that the connection between raising the minimum wage and loss of low-wage jobs has never been substantiated despite the fact that it's the one of the most often-run experiments in economics today.

I'm posting it in a spoiler because I know some folks have trouble with the Times' paywall.

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Yes, I know people who don't like him will complain that he's a liberal, but so was Adam Smith. Deal with it.
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