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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:56 AM

I usually trust to the reviews that MaximumPC does. They're pretty good about being objective and they don't appear to have an agenda that would affect their results.

That link above, incidentally, is to their review of the new Intel Haswell procs. Short story: they like them and confirm the performance increases over the last generation CPUs but they're concerned because they see the design features as catering to the mobile and laptop market and not to desktop PCs (which they prefer).

Good read though and tells you pretty much everything you need to know about Haswell and how it compares.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:01 PM

Looks good, but I don't know that I'd trade out my 4GHz 8 core AMD for this. Still, happy for the Intel crowd.
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:30 PM

well... seeing as intel has been squashing the AMD processors since the i-series was released... you'd actually see tons of gains.
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:37 PM

Except the price. That's really the only thing keeping me with AMD. I'm also looking forward to see the benchmarks for the new 5GHz processor they just announced. Most likely won't be up to haswell benchmarks, but it goes to show that AMD can continually keep up with their strategy of upping clock speed.
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:55 PM

Under the consideration of price... even upgrading is more expensive than not, no matter what the processor you would be leaving.

I gave you a reason for why trading would make sense.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 02:29 AM

AMD processors of the same prices as Intel processors would have to become less than 1/3 as strong as Intel for it to become a tough choice for me. They're currently equally as strong, so Intel has a long long way to create such a price/performance disparity for me.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:15 AM

View PostWolfCoder, on 16 June 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

AMD processors of the same prices as Intel processors would have to become less than 1/3 as strong as Intel for it to become a tough choice for me. They're currently equally as strong, so Intel has a long long way to create such a price/performance disparity for me.

Ah, what?
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:20 AM

I think that he means to say dollar for dollar AMD outperforms Intel, but I can't confirm that.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:25 AM

What I am saying is related to that, but it's not that simple.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:43 AM

Normally that's the point where you explain what you mean, rather than trying to further a sense of intrigue (it's not working, btw). And I think he's actually saying that he's an AMD fanboy and would buy a new AMD processor, priced the same as the i7 Haswell, even if it only performed half as well as said Haswell chip. Which is dumb.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:34 AM

Who is "he?" and no. I was an Intel fan, but because an AMD processor performs fast enough, the Intel processor would have to be three times more powerful for me to reconsider buying on price point (which it's not, it's about equal strength).

Arguably if I was making a personal cluster workstation, I could buy three AMDs and get tons of "bang for buck".. though one would actually attempt this using GPUs, but that's beside the point.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:34 AM

A few things to warn about with the stock heatsink in the Haswells - their odd placement of the thermal paste makes for some spikes in high temps. I was running primte95 test and was hitting 100 degrees pretty damn quick. So.. I powered down, pulled off the heatsink, and noticed the thermal paste smear left much to be desired. I fixed the coverage and it is better.. still runs awfully hot. The take away - smash that heat sink (with it's thermal paste) on, take it off, smear it properly, and then go. In past builds there was an entire pad and not some little ribbons in the center.

For kicks I saw a local shop was selling the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO at a few bucks less than newegg or amazon and picked it up over lunch. Heh.. they weren't joking that's a behemoth of a heatsink apartment.

Example of some guy's build:
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It's way cheap, got fab reviews for air OC temps, and is f'n quiet. Now I get the pain-in-the-ass joy of tearing my build down, installing the back plate, and throwing this beast in. It also means I should sit down and rethink my cabling. Ha.
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:41 AM

I've remember Intel always shipping with crappy stock heatsinks, I bought the big fuck-off Arctic Cooler fans back when I got my Pentium D 3.25Ghz x2 in 2007 which I overclocked to 3.70Ghz. I still recommend them except their AMD fittings kind of suck.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:55 AM

Holy crap that's a big effing sink. I thought the move to the i series CPUs a few years back meant a lot less juice and attendant heat. Guess that's not the case with these new procs?
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:34 PM

I put a Hyper 212 in on my current build. I had no clue how wide it was when I ordered it: I can only fit a really short RAM module into the 1st slot because the damned cooler fan hangs over it. I don't really blame the mobo layout, I had no problem with it until I upgraded heatsinks.
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