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Visual Studio 2013

Post icon  Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:08 AM

Since developer preview of Visual Studio 2013 is out, it seemed we should have a thread where everyone could discuss it, share problems and work arounds, share new features they like, and so on. This seemed the best spot since it is a multi-language IDE and therefore could not really just go in C#, or WPF etc.
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:29 AM

A free tip for everyone: don't be like my coworker. VS 2013 comes with .NET 4.5. He installed it several weeks ago on his work laptop to play around with it over a weekend. On Monday he was very confused as to why he was the only one having a problem building our almost finished product in VS 2010.

He did get a free lesson in virtual machines, the errors of downloading software for testing purposes, and got to spend several hours uninstalling and reinstalling everything to his laptop.
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:35 AM

Heh.. if he's played with 2012 then he should be familiar with setting the framework version. Gotta check that version!


The current link for the download preview:
https://www.microsof.../2013-downloads

Some reading if you are interested in seeing what's new..

Announcing the .NET Framework 4.5.1 Preview

Microsoft releases preview of Visual Studio 2013 and new .NET version

Microsoft delivers new Visual Studio 2013 and .Net 4.5.1 previews
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:13 PM

Everyone has to run into that problem at least once lol. Hopefully not on a production though.

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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:05 PM

On a tangent: Update 3 for VS2012 is out. This seems to have fixed the random hangs that were introduced with Update 2. Update 3 also feel much faster, but I'm sorry can't quantify that more.

As for the VS Beta's in general, VMs are are the way to go. Uninstall for VS has never been a turd free experience, but I do have to say that VS2012 seemed to have the cleanest uninstall as opposed to 2005, 2008, and 2010.
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:55 PM

I use Visual Studio 2010. I had 2012, but I didn't like that they took out the setup project type, so I reverted back to 2010.
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 01 July 2013 - 06:16 AM

I see a setup project in VS2012:
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just like in VS2010:
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I just gave VS2013 a quick spin in a VM, but it felt kind of "clunky". I don't know if it was because I was running in a VM with only 4GB of RAM or something else (like the fact that I had SharePoint running within the same VM). I'll try on a clean VM later this week.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:47 PM

Here's a picture of it.

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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

http://social.msdn.m...roject-template
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

I tried WiX with 2012, but it was complicated and hard to use and I don't do much with Visual Studio anyway.
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Re: Visual Studio 2013

Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:14 AM

Off-topic:
Wix is actually pretty simple, but it is not drag-and-drop simple. It requires thinking and typing. It requires you to do your homework up front on understanding the Windows Installer database layout and the relationship of files, directories, features, components, etc.
http://msdn.microsof...1(v=vs.85).aspx

It beats editting .MSI files with Orca anytime.

Back on topic:

Anyway, having had some intimate knowledge of the Evil Empire, I can tell you part of the product decisions are based on the telemetry that comes back to the company. When you check that checkbox saying "Yes, send anonymous information about usage..." it sends information to MS about what features are used often, and what features are not, and at times how long it takes to discover a feature. For good or bad, the buttons on Office's Ribbons were driven by telemetry collected over a long period of time. (Next time you hate not having your favorite feature on the Ribbon go blame the other Office users in the world. I personally blame the law offices that use MS for the styles tab.) If you chose not to send the usage information, and you were not vocal about the removal of the feature during the CTP periods then a very little used feature that is also turning out to be a bug farm can be justified to be put on the cutting block.

When Rob Mensching was working for MS, he was on the verge of getting Wix built into VS as well as getting support to have easy to use wizards for the Mort's to create setup projects easily, but give Elvis's and Einstein's full control needed by larger organizations. (Alas, I see that Rob has left the company.)

Anyway, with that information, instead of dismissing VS2013, give it a spin, and send in your feedback. Campaign others to send in their feedback as well. Often MS can be a big lumbering giant, but it tries to keep its employees empowered to make decisions that affect the course of its products.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

It seems that users really wanted it back, considering that it had 5788 votes, which at the time was the most voted for. Even if people didn't use it, why take it out? It didn't get in the way at all, and at least some people would have used it.

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