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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:43 PM

I'm curious about something. Recently I've been reading about, watching a bit too much Ghost in the Shell among other things, and came to a moral quandary. If we as humans can make ourselves effectively immortal through technology, should we? Are we playing God by doing so?

Kurzweil had theorized that by ~2045 we can successfully digitize entire humans, opening up unlimited possibilities.

My answer: If we find a way to improve humanity in any way, we should. Why put limits on anything under the guise of playing God when God may have well intended to have us improve ourselves? This same mindset has stopped us from inventing drugs and stem cell research that would save lives everywhere. Assumed dogma is crippling innovation, and this is by far one of the most exciting innovations possible.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:54 PM

The way I look at is this, if we can help humanity in any way then let's do it. I mean if we digitized ourselves then in years to come who says that our digital selves won't be what helps come up with some significant breakthrough that improves humanity. I mean in 200 years what if you were the one that helped cure cancer.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:06 PM

Don't forget the lead character in Ghost in the Shell murdered the human form. Only the dna was cloned & imortal.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:13 PM

The alternative is voluntarily dying. Suicide is never an acceptable answer.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:28 PM

For anyone who believes in a god, of course he intended for people to improve themselves. That's why we have modern medicine. Every time a physician treats a disease, you effectively play god by interfering in what would have otherwise been a completely natural process.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

http://read.bi/13EjeAp

My brother just sent me this one. Nematodes regenerate their minds even after being decapitated, and apparently their memories along with it. The implications of that one alone are rather fascinating.

Potentially relevant to humans: http://bit.ly/14NPaRO

Heart transplant receivers exhibit traits of their donor.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:41 PM

I would digitize myself in a heartbeat. Speaking of which, check out "Quantam Thief" and "Fractal Prince" in that order for one look at what that could cause.

I do avoid believing anything Kurzweil predicts with regards to timing, because he often seems overly optimistic. I would love to be proven wrong about some of them, though.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

I don't think we have to digitize ourselves, except possibly as a sort of backup. I think we'll be able to preserve our bodies.
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Re: Immortality

Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

View Postxclite, on 14 July 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

I would digitize myself in a heartbeat. Speaking of which, check out "Quantam Thief" and "Fractal Prince" in that order for one look at what that could cause.

I do avoid believing anything Kurzweil predicts with regards to timing, because he often seems overly optimistic. I would love to be proven wrong about some of them, though.


You, sir, have given me entertainment to consider. For that I am grateful. They do look like interesting books indeed.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:56 PM

I don't like to mix science and religion. "Because God" is not a valid reason to me. It would be nice to eradicate death but if we did, the world would very quickly run out of space. That said, I think humanity should take every possible step to improve itself - that's evolution.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:06 PM

I'm just stating that the implications of actually doing something like this are far reaching, especially to overly-zealous fanatics. You can imagine what type of crap-storm would arise from them getting involved or near anything of this nature.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

The question reminds me of the movie In Time.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostFlukeshot, on 14 July 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

I don't like to mix science and religion. "Because God" is not a valid reason to me. It would be nice to eradicate death but if we did, the world would very quickly run out of space. That said, I think humanity should take every possible step to improve itself - that's evolution.


How quickly? I don't think it's impossible to colonize the moon within 30 years or so, and, before we get to the point of running out of space, find other livable planets to start colonizing as well, especially with some of the added expertise of say 80+ years of experience and going strong, plus reasonable AI. The whole universe is ours to explore.
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:38 AM

I plan on becoming immortal, or die trying.
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:54 AM

There was an episode of Lexx in which they visited a planet where all the inhabitants wanted to be immortal. They went about achieving this by thinly slicing themselves and digitizing the remains. Personally I do not want to be sliced into small pieces for that end.
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