UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 29 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

There's gonna be a lot of sexually frustrated British programmers if that happens.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 12:06 AM

How will they deal with proxy server, will they track them all to see if any of them are accessing porn sites?
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:28 AM

View PostButchDean, on 30 July 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

There's gonna be a lot of sexually frustrated British programmers if that happens.


That's the Status Quo anyway.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostMichael26, on 30 July 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

How will they deal with proxy server, will they track them all to see if any of them are accessing porn sites?


Well seeing as it's an opt out option, if you're using a proxy server that's an alternative way of opting out. You have to actively use a proxy server, so it was your choice.

I don't necessarily agree with the measure, but the measure does not BAN porn. Basically it's just that the government is requiring all ISPs to supply a parental block feature, and that the block comes on by default.

This is unlike Iceland which is moving to BAN pornography.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 07:42 AM

I'm normally one of the ones who wouldn't much care for stuff like this. That said, the entire angst of the situation is that the filters are set ON by default rather than OFF by default. Their own explanation is enough:

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What's clear here is that David Cameron wants people to sleepwalk into censorship. We know that people stick with defaults: this is part of the idea behind 'nudge theory' and 'choice architecture' that is popular with Cameron.


Guess what I'm tired of in life: I'm tired of us dumbing everything down so that even the most moronic of us is "taken care of". I'm also tired of faux outrage over shit that's literally no big deal. So effing what if you have to UNTICK boxes. The issue isn't that there's boxes to tick at all (it should be but it doesn't seem to be the thrust of the all the butthurt), it's that those boxes are pre-ticked for you. How much effort is involved in pulling up the form and unticking the boxes? Practically none at all. Should they be ticked in advance for you? Well hell, we ARE talking about the prototypical nanny state so it ought not come as any surprise that's the default. But how about you get bent over the real issue: that your ISP is, or ought to be, in the business of deciding what you should and shouldn't experience on the intarwebz tubez. Apparently, that's entirely okay and it's just that the filter is "auto on" by default.

If you're willing to accept blocks in the first place then STFU about the entirely trivial inconvenience of having to uncheck a few boxes to disable the odious blocks. For crissake...fight the fight that ought to be fought: tell the government to get the fuck out of your personal life decisions and leave you the hell alone.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

View Postlordofduct, on 30 July 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

View PostMichael26, on 30 July 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

How will they deal with proxy server, will they track them all to see if any of them are accessing porn sites?


Well seeing as it's an opt out option, if you're using a proxy server that's an alternative way of opting out. You have to actively use a proxy server, so it was your choice.

I don't necessarily agree with the measure, but the measure does not BAN porn. Basically it's just that the government is requiring all ISPs to supply a parental block feature, and that the block comes on by default.

This is unlike Iceland which is moving to BAN pornography.


It doesn't, and some of the articles about this overreach, but it is still censorship, and something the government should play no part in.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:22 AM

View Postlordofduct, on 30 July 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

View PostMichael26, on 30 July 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

How will they deal with proxy server, will they track them all to see if any of them are accessing porn sites?


Well seeing as it's an opt out option, if you're using a proxy server that's an alternative way of opting out. You have to actively use a proxy server, so it was your choice.

I don't necessarily agree with the measure, but the measure does not BAN porn. Basically it's just that the government is requiring all ISPs to supply a parental block feature, and that the block comes on by default.

This is unlike Iceland which is moving to BAN pornography.


Proxy servers fall under the category of web filter circumvention tools, they too will be blocked.

And craig I don't quiet follow you. Are you saying we shouldn't care about this, and just uncheck the boxes and move on?

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

I think the brits should just redirect any pr0n searches to searches of the royal family... any junk shots are tastefully obscured by a royal baby photo, the Queen's mug, or someone from parliament.
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:15 AM

Once you put these powerful authoritarian tools in place, there's no telling how they'll be used.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:20 AM

View Postatraub, on 30 July 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

Once you put these powerful authoritarian tools in place, there's no telling how they'll be used.


That's funny. There's more than a few people who'd agree to the same sentiment except applying it to government. Nice object...ripe for abuse though.
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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostCraig328, on 30 July 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postatraub, on 30 July 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

Once you put these powerful authoritarian tools in place, there's no telling how they'll be used.
That's funny. There's more than a few people who'd agree to the same sentiment except applying it to government. Nice object...ripe for abuse though.
I couldn't agree more :)

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Well, except that I don't necessarily think it's a nice object to begin with. lol

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Re: UK to create firewall focused at sites deemed inappropriate

Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:37 PM

View Postcreativecoding, on 30 July 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Proxy servers fall under the category of web filter circumvention tools, they too will be blocked.

And craig I don't quiet follow you. Are you saying we shouldn't care about this, and just uncheck the boxes and move on?


I was referring to the use of proxy servers, not if they would block proxy servers. Which of course with it on you could use a proxy server still as only known ones can be blocked and it's not exactly easy to filter out random IP addresses from around the world, it's not like you can easily detect a proxy server. It's not like they can for instance block my IP address to thwart AdamSpeight from bouncing off my machine, unless someone explicitly said my computer is being used as a proxy by AdamSpeight.

I was highlighting that they aren't making this stuff illegal.

ConciselyVerbose said:

It doesn't, and some of the articles about this overreach, but it is still censorship, and something the government should play no part in.


I am unclear as to what you are saying here. You start off with "it doesn't" as if you're answering a question or stating that I'm wrong about something. Though I didn't ask a question, nor did you highlight what I said is wrong. And the rest of your sentence are incomplete sentences connected to one another by commas. I gather at best that you think that it's censorship, but what does that have to do with what I said? I distinctly remember saying I don't agree with the measure. So, again, why are you quoting me and what are you trying to say?




Personally I agree with Craig on this issue. I don't approve of a government (one that is not my own) implementing such an act (an act that no I don't think is censorship directly, because you can still access porn, you just have to turn off the block). But at the same time, the outrage people have for it is largely over-reacting, acting as if this is a full on banning of porn. Which positioned next to Iceland currently debating a bill that actually does ban porn isn't getting any attention from those of you outraged.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:42 PM

It doesn't ban porn. I was agreeing with that. Some articles headlines are implying it does, hence the comment about overreaching.

Then I said that is is censorship and the government shouldn't do it.

I blame sleep deprivation for the ugliness of that, sorry.
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

Aw, ok.

Well that clears that up.
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 03:23 PM

Nobody seems to care that the filter will be ineffective anyway. Some legitimate sites will be blocked and some porn will slip through, some of it to poor impressionable innocents.
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