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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 30 July 2013 - 03:17 PM

Everyone in the world is out to get me. Or more accurately, they couldn't care less about me unless I interfere with their little part of the world. But they have no reason not to "get me" if it suits their fancy. And it certainly will suit someone's fancy eventually.

First of all, privacy isn't necessarily about anyone being "out to get me". Like was previously said, you may not want everything you do to be made absolutely public to everyone. That doesn't even mean you are necessarily out to really hide anything.

I might not be able to keep my 6 figure corporate job if they knew I was into "games". In the corporate world it is a dog eat dog world, where anything you say or do can and will be used against you to take you down and take your position. It wouldn't be the first time someone has used information about me to try and get me fired. I have to put on the front that I'm a mature adult who is responsible enough to run some of the worlds' most important computers. Playing video games doesn't exactly jive with that image. It would be different if I were a game programmer, or even a professional programmer, but I don't do that for a living.

Second, I had a guy kick down my front door and walk into my bedroom while I was sitting up in bed basically defenseless. (I will never let that happen again. (The being defenseless part.)) Realizing, "this is the moment where I am about to die" has a tendency to wake you up to reality a bit. The world is a brutally dangerous place and even in the most safest place you can imagine, some one can come in and kill you dead in a heart beat. That is the real world we live in.

Third, I tend to play this down here because I don't want it to interfere with what I do here. But I'm a political activist. I've given some of the world's most powerful people good reason to want me dead or other wise "taken care of". And I intend to continue that in the future.

Not everyone is a danger. That doesn't matter. What matters is that some are.
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 03:23 PM

Cant wait for WWW police... >.>
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 05:15 PM

It's about your unwillingness to share trivial info because of trivial reasons. Going as far as to second-guessing in real life conversations because of these worries. Some may even call people with this behavior, paranoid.

lol, also, that dude who break into your house - did he oddly look like some security guy who may or may not have had information on the security system in your house?
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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 30 July 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostBBeck, on 30 July 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I might not be able to keep my 6 figure corporate job if they knew I was into "games".

this is some grade-A delusional bullshit.

also, guys worried about keeping their privacy so much that they don't sign up for any sort of internet services don't join random internet forums and brag about their 6 figure job where you "run some of the worlds' most important computers", and if you haven't seen these services so you don't know how they work or why they are important, you shouldn't be in the kind of position you describe.

seriously dude, most of the things you have written sound paranoid, creepy, and exaggerated.
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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:22 PM

I'm not saying that if they found out I owned an Xbox that I would be immediately terminated. I'm just saying that the only guy that I know around where I work who admits openly that he plays video games is not exactly on the management fast track. And you are almost certain to get some strange looks if you start talking about your game of Grand Theft Auto with the board members. You are likely to hear, "Yep. I think my kid plays that." Not that I'm claiming that I talk with the board members of the company, but unless you're in a pretty low position its degrees of basically the same thing.

My point is, that something like that can easily be used against you in office politics. And it wouldn't be the first time someone tried to use information about my personal life to take me down in their office politics games. Not to mention that the image people see of you in the office can have a profound effect. Posting your whole life on the Internet for the whole world to see is just asking to have someone use that information against you.


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guys worried about keeping their privacy so much that they don't sign up for any sort of internet services don't join random internet forums and brag about their 6 figure job where you "run some of the worlds' most important computers",


Well, I obviously do. But it's not a "random internet forum". And I wasn't trying to brag about my job really. I was trying to point out that it's 1)a job worth not getting fired over what you posted on your FaceBook page and 2) that when someone hires you to not only run but be the primary person in charge of, for example, a computer for a Fortune 100 company where they company loses a million an hour for every hour the computer goes down, they like to think that you are a mature responsible adult. Anything that diminishes that image, is likely to not help your career.

I'm not saying I'm anyone special. Quite the contrary. But, I was trying to make a point that what you put on the Internet about your personal life often can and will impact your career if you're not careful.

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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 31 July 2013 - 02:56 AM

View Postcreativecoding, on 30 July 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

It's about your unwillingness to share trivial info because of trivial reasons.


I'm on board with this. It ain't as trivial as you might think.

Maybe it is a generational thing. Even as a kid, we all knew "don't say anything on the phone that you wouldn't say to a cop." Hell, "don't talk to strangers." People have lost that. It might be good, a sign of sharing acceptance, but there are still bad people out there.

My innate reaction when asked for private info is to be on guard. The lack of, what seems to me, sensible security, is frightening.

When I used to play MMOs, and ran into someone who looked like a mark, I'd try to break them of their naivete. After a casual chat, I'd enumerate all the private info some random toon had unthinkingly shared with my random toon. They'd often log off immediately, presumably shaken.

Here's a fun game to play, you see this stuff on social media all the time: What's your Porn Star name? Combine the name of your First Pet, and your Mother's Maiden Name. Post it. Idiots. Play a few more "social" games and expect credit cards in your name with charges to exotic lands.
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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:42 AM

BBeck I seriously question what sort of office politics you have that would result in problems from sharing the fact that you play video games. Of course it's not a professional appearance, but if you can't defend that fact that you have a personal life that you enjoy then maybe that's on you..


@baavgai:
I think from a kids perspective, there really is no danger with sharing this information. You know how you don't really fully develop your ability to calculate risks until you're an adult? That plays a major role. Mix that with parents you'll want to rebel against and facts without evidence (really, when has a case of fraud come to mass media light?) - and bam - you're on some chat room talking about where you live and what your name is.

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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:54 AM

View PostBBeck, on 30 July 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Anything that diminishes that image, is likely to not help your career.

well that's why you don't go on these services and post dick pics. you can use the services in both negative and positive ways, applying blanket blocks to them seems like overkill.

i still call bullshit on the fact 'playing games' will get you fired. i'm not saying you should be hanging pokemon posters in your office, but there's not much difference now days between a person who spends an hour watching a football game or playing grand theft auto. it's your free time and you should be able to justify it as such without hiding who you are and what you enjoy to such a bizarre degree.
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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:03 PM

View Postsupersloth, on 31 July 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

View PostBBeck, on 30 July 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Anything that diminishes that image, is likely to not help your career.

well that's why you don't go on these services and post dick pics.


Tell that to Anthony Weiner.
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Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:27 PM

um, ok.
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Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

View Postcreativecoding, on 31 July 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

@baavgai:
I think from a kids perspective, there really is no danger with sharing this information.


Agreed. However, I think it's more than the simple indestructibility of youth. There are fundamental differences in attitude.

Different eras have different boggy men, different threats, that incite various defensive reactions. In the US, we had the red menace in various forms. The cold war was a wonderfully paranoid time; we didn't trust our own government because they were just as likely to blow us up as the "enemy."

Today we have terrorists. While this should elicit a similar level of paranoid, it doesn't seem to. Instead, we engage in security theater and leave the worry to the powers that be. Indeed, instead of properly fearing the powers that be, we expect them to protect us.

Lack of personal privacy has become the solution to the threat against homeland security. In such an environment, sharing intimate details of your life online is practically patriotic.
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:01 AM

Reading over this article about requests to Twitters from Governments for private information.

Felt appropriate to share with this topic.

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The United States made three-quarters of the 1,157 data requests during the six-month period, according to the San Francisco-based company's report. Report: https://transparency.twitter.com/

Governments usually want the emails or IP addresses tied to a Twitter account.

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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostBBeck, on 30 July 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Everyone in the world is out to get me.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has used information about me to try and get me fired.

I'm a mature adult who is responsible enough to run some of the worlds' most important computers.

I've given some of the world's most powerful people good reason to want me dead or other wise "taken care of".

Not everyone is a danger. That doesn't matter. What matters is that some are.


I think you watch too much TV...
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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

View Posth4nnib4l, on 01 August 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

View PostBBeck, on 30 July 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Everyone in the world is out to get me.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has used information about me to try and get me fired.

I'm a mature adult who is responsible enough to run some of the worlds' most important computers.

I've given some of the world's most powerful people good reason to want me dead or other wise "taken care of".

Not everyone is a danger. That doesn't matter. What matters is that some are.


I think you watch too much TV...



I don't watch TV. Perhaps that's why I can see things more clearly than most. In fact, I was just lamenting the other day that I don't have any TV to watch. I have a 60 inch flatscreen as my computer monitor, but my TV tuner card got misconfigured during a repair job several months back and I haven't bothered to take the time to repair it (which is a pretty good indication of how much I care about having TV since I could probably fix it if I would just take 10 to 30 minutes to do it. I got that because I was sick of cable and Tivo and didn't want to pay for it anymore. Netfix has no movies for download and Hulu isn't offering much worth talking about for free. So, I can't remember what month it was when I watched TV last. Surely, it was some time this year.

I mostly read. And I get news and information off the Internet, sometimes directly from the source and sometimes through news organizations like Associated Press. I generally stay far too busy to have time for TV. And a lot of what I watch is for information. For example, I'm almost finished watching the Zimmerman trial from start to finish (on YouTube if you were wondering) because it has such important political ramifications.

Look. When I said "everyone is out to get me", I tried to explain that I didn't mean that literally. I don't believe that someone, or anyone, is right now plotting against me (although it is not entirely out of the realm of possiblity that someday someone could, especially if I keep on doing what I'm doing as a political activist - some of these politicians are very bad people. I would not put anything past them. If I were to agitate enough people to swing the election against them, I'm sure that ending their career might be perceived as a threat. I'm not sure I'm even close to doing that, but I'm certain that they are willing to fight to keep their wealth and power. The more successful I am, the more they stand to lose.) That was not my point. My point is that most people are basically bad people and will do you harm if they think there are no concequences. Most of them stay in cheque because they don't want to suffer the concequences in terms of losing position in society and paying criminal penalties. There are some really good people out there, but they are few and far between. And they become more rare by the day.

That's just reality. If you don't realize that, then you are living in a fantasy world and you are almost certain to have a rude awakening one day. Go ask a soldier who's spent some time in combat how "safe" the world we live in is. People live their lives with their heads in the sand and then are absolutly floored when someone like Ariel Castro suddenly pops up. "How could this happen?!" It's been happening for a decade and I assure you this is not the only case of it happening. This is just the only one you've accidently exposed recently.

But that doesn't mean you have to live your life in fear. Some danger is always going to be there and you just have to accept it and be comfortable with it. But you can go in the tiger's cage if you are well prepared. Being prepared is the key to dealing with what you can, and there's no point in worrying about what you can't.
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Re: What do you think about the new privacy standard on the Web?

Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:57 AM

View PostBBeck, on 01 August 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

My point is that most people are basically bad people and will do you harm if they think there are no concequences. Most of them stay in cheque because they don't want to suffer the concequences in terms of losing position in society and paying criminal penalties. There are some really good people out there, but they are few and far between. And they become more rare by the day.


I actually feel bad for you after reading this. I don't for a moment believe that the vast majority of the world's population would put a bullet in my skull if they didn't fear the consequences. Some would - absolutely. Some would do it regardless of consequences. But to say that MOST people are bad people... I'm just glad I don't live in the same bubble of fear-mongering negativity you've cocooned yourself into.
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