News: Two Email Providers Self-Destruct to Preserve Privacy

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Re: News: Two Email Providers Self-Destruct to Preserve Privacy

Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:06 PM

Following the news about the companies that voluntarily work with the NSA and all that jazz, yeah I believe I have heard something about that.
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Posted 10 August 2013 - 04:03 PM

I think if you sign up for a service that guarantees your confidential information remains private, you should be happy if they fulfill this commission. If you want "sorta private" use gmail.

Now of course I'm thinking about ways to ensure confidentiality without the risk of this sort of breach. My notion is, you host servers in four different countries, say, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Estonia and stripe the information across the servers. Germany gets a hardon to look at the data? Fine, let them copy everything. You can do a lot with cryptanalysis but I think if you had 1/4 of the encrypted data, it'd be hard for even the NSA to get anything useful out of it.
The choice of countries would be an interesting problem, but I'm thinking you can probably find four countries in reasonably close geographical proximity with reasonable connectivity and reliable power, somewhere in the world.
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Posted 10 August 2013 - 05:59 PM

you could take this a step further and get something like fragmented P2P where no one would have the full picture.
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Posted 10 August 2013 - 06:30 PM

At least they care for their customers privacy?? :o
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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:10 AM

i would assume anyone using accounts there used them specifically because they were aware they would handle this this way, so that's not too surprising. i'm sad it's coming to this, though.
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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:15 AM

Probably the same expectation of people using Hushmail, yet they still handed over information to the government.

@jon I think that would be similar to tor mail. I'm not 100% on how it works, but I think it's integrated with the tor network and spread out as a "hidden service". Only problem is, you have to be running tor to use it.
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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:30 AM

Having been a lavabit user I am frustrated (free however, so my info was not encrypted in any way). However, I used the service precisely because they took a very hands off approach to the whole thing (i.e. not monitoring the user's e-mail). The interface was also very minimalistic and unobtrusive, without all the fancy styling and usual browser taxing code (a rarity these days). It would've been nice to receive notice of the shutdown, but perhaps part of the government mandates was that users could not be informed (perhaps so as to not alert any offending parties, as he made mention of not being able to discuss it due to legal constraints).

Regardless, users should remain calm before forming mobs and readying the torches and pitchforks. On a CNET article the founder clearly states his intention to make the e-mails available to prior users, it might just take time, and seeing as he appears to be a guy who follows through, I don't think there's much cause for alarm.

I also wonder whether or not it's a good idea to post this URL, but it's the Lavabit customer service page. I hate to think it will be abused profusely by people asking all manner of asinine questions about what has transpired.

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Re: News: Two Email Providers Self-Destruct to Preserve Privacy

Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:24 AM

In other news - Groklaw is done and cites lavabits as a catalyst.

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So. There we are. The foundation of Groklaw is over. I can't do Groklaw without your input. I was never exaggerating about that when we won awards. It really was a collaborative effort, and there is now no private way, evidently, to collaborate.
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http://www.groklaw.n...130818120421175
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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:46 AM

Good call to the email providers. I'm impressed that someone would go that far to protect their customer's data, and glad to see someone in this world still believes in putting the customer first.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

They have integrity lady. In-fuckin-tegrity.
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Re: News: Two Email Providers Self-Destruct to Preserve Privacy

Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:24 AM

View Postmodi123_1, on 20 August 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

In other news - Groklaw is done and cites lavabits as a catalyst.


This is interesting, since as far as I can tell there's no actual concern here about operational security. It looks to me like groklaw is essentially a compilation of lots of publicly available information - you could compile that information in complete openness and it wouldn't be an issue. So I'm not sure if I understand this reaction.
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