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simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 04:29 AM

is it so difficult to develop a 3d game using visual studio 2010 and XNA.if not then where can i find the complete guidelines and basics?
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:16 AM

Hey, and welcome to the forum!

It is difficult! But less difficult than C++ and DirectX, haha. Do you have decent knowledge of vectors and matrices and some more Math?

If you don't, check out the fundamentals section of BBeck's site.
http://virtuallyprog...ndamentals.html

This is another more visual article for Matrices.
http://robertokoci.c...atrix-unveiled/

And to get started with the basics of creating a virtual world, do this tutorial.
http://virtuallyprog...heHolodeck.html

[edit] As you're using XNA to learn some game programming.

Cheers!

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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:40 AM

Keep personal comments off the threads. Any issues please PM me.
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:45 AM

View Postnagaraj R.M, on 17 August 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

is it so difficult to develop a 3d game using visual studio 2010 and XNA.if not then where can i find the complete guidelines and basics?


You really cannot find a complete guide. There are a lot of known elements of Games Programming not documented in detail in books or online resources. Sorry to crash the show here, but honestly, this is a rudimentary question. It takes years for a team of programmers to program a game, so a solo act, cannot hope to achieve such standards as a AAA game.

And, since you are here, we are assuming that you have none what so ever programming skills. So to answer your question, yes, yes it would be hard for a beginner to develop a game using C# and XNA. Not to mention all the math required for even the most basic topics, such as a 3rd person camera.

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but your question was very bleak.
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:23 AM

Please ask XNA questions in the XNA forum. Thanks!
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:56 AM

It's really easy to demotivate anyone new to game development, and I find it really weak when programmers do that, and they usually do.
The guy didn't ask how to make AAA games, he's just learning. Although, his question was very short, I'd guess he's just looking for some guidance. And with the proper motivation you can easily learn how to set up a 3D environment in XNA.

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So to answer your question, yes, yes it would be hard for a beginner to develop a game using C# and XNA.

LOL, if there is an easier platform to develop games in, PM me it.

And when a person is learning, there's really no point in crashing the AAA industry on them.. It's really lame.
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:15 AM

If I may, traxix.
I think that the reaction of aaron1178 was good.

Often people come here asking how to do things. Nothing wrong with that.
I do that as well.
But regarding game development, there is a lot of disrespect.
If I could call it that.

People think game programming is easy, or at least so much easier than other programming areas.
More like: "pff, he's a game programmer, I could do that."
Or: "how can I myself create a 3D game like *insert AAA tile here* but better. Even through I'm completely new to programming, I still can do a better job in a couple weeks than the hundreds of professional game programmers do in some years".

A reality check is often required.

Note: I'm not saying that the OP thinks like this.

as for actual advice:
I would buy a couple books.
I don't really got any titles on XNA, but I could give the titles of some other books.

You won't find any books/tutorials that exactly describe on how to create a 3D game.
A 3D game (even 2D) is just too complex.
What does exist are books that teach the fundamentals of how to create a game.

Also: (another opinion from me)
I think there is a big difference between people wanting to create a game, and people wanting to become a game programmer.
People wanting to become a game programmer I would advise to read and learn a lot.
Learn C++ or some other language.
Learn how to create games.

For someone just wanting to create a game, I would probably advice the same.
If they don't want to do this, I would point them to something along the lines of RPG maker.


Anyway OP,
Don't get discouraged. Just start small, very small.
And keep learning.
I would actually begin with 2D programming.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:23 AM

Hey axel,
That's a great response, and I get where you're coming from. I do think beginner game programming is not so hard, but I get about what level of game programming you're talking about, and that's definitely tough. But If any person is willing to learn, it's totally fine to give them some guidance, without telling them what they can't do, because you have to start somewhere! However, if they display some egotism about it like you mentioned, then you can face them with reality, sure.
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:47 AM

Moved to XNA.
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 04:45 PM

View Posttraxix, on 18 August 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

It's really easy to demotivate anyone new to game development, and I find it really weak when programmers do that, and they usually do.
The guy didn't ask how to make AAA games, he's just learning. Although, his question was very short, I'd guess he's just looking for some guidance. And with the proper motivation you can easily learn how to set up a 3D environment in XNA.

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So to answer your question, yes, yes it would be hard for a beginner to develop a game using C# and XNA.

LOL, if there is an easier platform to develop games in, PM me it.

And when a person is learning, there's really no point in crashing the AAA industry on them.. It's really lame.


traxix, to save clogging up this thread with arguments, how about you PM me your remarks on the criticism I have provided.

Traxix, you've obviously misread my post. I said it would be hard, not that there is an easier platform. If you cannot handle someones criticism, you should really give the game industry a bypass. I provided criticism intended for the OP, not you. It is up to the OP how he responds to my criticism.

As I said, PM me if you would like to discuss this matter more.
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:55 PM

No worries aaron, I have nothing to discuss, as I have nothing to prove, I just want to help beginners out.
If the OP asked for a more serious response, I would have definitely given it to him. :)
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Re: simple 3d game?

Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:47 PM

View Posttraxix, on 17 August 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

Hey, and welcome to the forum!

It is difficult! But less difficult than C++ and DirectX, haha. Do you have decent knowledge of vectors and matrices and some more Math?

If you don't, check out the fundamentals section of BBeck's site.
http://virtuallyprog...ndamentals.html

This is another more visual article for Matrices.
http://robertokoci.c...atrix-unveiled/

And to get started with the basics of creating a virtual world, do this tutorial.
http://virtuallyprog...heHolodeck.html

[edit] As you're using XNA to learn some game programming.

Cheers!

Thank you........:)
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