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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:30 AM

axel1994 I see you have brought your programming patterns - a single statement per line - to your posts :whatsthat:
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:05 PM

View Postandrewsw, on 24 August 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

axel1994 I see you have brought your programming patterns - a single statement per line - to your posts :whatsthat:/>/>/>/>


I didn't even notice that. I guess after working with code, it seemed as equally natural as English.

On topic, I have to side with Martyr2 on this one. I have full support for pushing the education of society, but programming is only one of many types of education. By trying to make everyone get into programming, we potentially alienate some development of other fields. If we are going to suggest everyone should learn something, I suggest it at least be math, a more diverse, and applicable skill set for most. And given some of the posts on internet, some language too.

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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

Martyr2 are you talking about the code.org video?

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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:43 PM

People who program in Java can't "see sharp."

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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

View Postaxel1994, on 24 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Something else I find controversial.
Video tutorials.
I agree, nothing beats a good book. Or a good education.
But a good video tutorial can do wonders. (while a lot of people, also here, hate video tutorials).


My position on this is that there is no way that a video can deliver information as efficiently as written text - at least, not unless the person receiving the information is functionally illiterate. So there's no reason at all to look to videos to replace text, in most cases, and I can think of few exceptions.
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 24 August 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

View Postaxel1994, on 24 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Something else I find controversial.
Video tutorials.
I agree, nothing beats a good book. Or a good education.
But a good video tutorial can do wonders. (while a lot of people, also here, hate video tutorials).


My position on this is that there is no way that a video can deliver information as efficiently as written text - at least, not unless the person receiving the information is functionally illiterate. So there's no reason at all to look to videos to replace text, in most cases, and I can think of few exceptions.


Some video tutorials are insanely helpful, especially those like Play by Play on Peepcode. Videos that go into how another programmer does his work are great for getting a few ideas. Want a good one? Try Aaron Patterson's video, he does some wicked things with VIM and Rails (well... considering he's on the core team and all.)
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

"Everyone should learn/know Javascript" :devil2:
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

@Lemur

I believe that's now branching off to what I will call professional development, as opposed to tutorials that are serving as an introduction. And in case they are said tutorials, those are more professionally developed than what would be seen on you tube.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:30 PM

My only staunch opinion is, if you have a choice between Microsoft and <insert alternative here>, choose <insert alternative here>. I stand by my opinion no matter what the alternative is - used toilet paper, raw chicken sashimi, frontal lobotomy, you name it.
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:55 PM

Microsoft and Hitler
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:50 PM

Hitler gets a pretty bad rap. I mean, if he hadn't have invaded multiple sovereign nations, imposed a state sanctioned regime of terror, and commited mass genocide, history probably would have been a bit kinder on him. Anyhow, it's not like Hitler invented IE.
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 25 August 2013 - 03:52 AM

Just to get this back on track..

Andrew said:

Opening brackets (braces) belong on the same line

..awaits the tirade :whistling:

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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:57 AM

View PostMylo, on 25 August 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

@Lemur

I believe that's now branching off to what I will call professional development, as opposed to tutorials that are serving as an introduction. And in case they are said tutorials, those are more professionally developed than what would be seen on you tube.


Well the same thing can be said about books. Most books are professionally published, but you could still have access to some badly written piece of crap by someone who doesn't have a clue. I admit the chances of coming accross a bad book compared to coming accross a bad video are huge, thanks to sites like youtube.

Anything made professionally, by people who know what they are talking about, is going to be useful. Books, videos, audio files, podcasts etc. Why limit yourself to one medium when they all have their own advantages?

I'd say it boils down to the user, and how they recieve information. Everyone learns in their own way, as long as they are learning and trying to better themselves then I don't see a problem.
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:11 AM

View Postandrewsw, on 24 August 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

axel1994 I see you have brought your programming patterns - a single statement per line - to your posts :whatsthat:/>


I didn't really notice that. :innocent:

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View Postaxel1994, on 24 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Something else I find controversial.
Video tutorials.
I agree, nothing beats a good book. Or a good education.
But a good video tutorial can do wonders. (while a lot of people, also here, hate video tutorials).


My position on this is that there is no way that a video can deliver information as efficiently as written text - at least, not unless the person receiving the information is functionally illiterate. So there's no reason at all to look to videos to replace text, in most cases, and I can think of few exceptions.


I agree, mostly. Take for example: Khan Academy. It's useful. Even through I have a textbook on algebra, and followed a course on algebra. Khan Academy could clarify certain things. The professor taught us something, I don't fully understand, so I go into my textbook. But still I didn't understand the concept 100%. The website explains it somewhat different and pretty clear. And than 1+1 = 2. I understood it 100%.
But that's probably an exception like you said.

It could be helpful, or very harmful.
First textbook and professor, next perhaps another source like videos.


Another thing:
Printing out variables and such to the console is perfectly fine for debugging purposes.

If you want to be a computer scientist, your choice of school does matter. Some schools are worse/better than other. (also 1 of my fears)
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Re: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:15 PM

Underscores are superior to camelcase; camelcase is ugly. Encapsulation is painfully superfluous -- you're a fucking dipshit if you use it in a personal project. Only things that absolutely need to be represented as objects should be; procedural mixed with OOP is superior to either extreme. PHP > Ruby on Rails. Windows 8 > Windows 7, hands down. C++ is a decent language. Python could be WAY more elegant. Javascript is one of the better scripting languages. Web development is child's play.
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