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Microchipping your children

Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:01 PM

Hi all,

Not sure if this is 'allowed' in the off-topic section, if not, please close :)/>

Been looking into this recently and have noticed that 99.9% of the people are against it, mostly due to the 'big brother'/gov. watching you hullabaloo and I'm just looking to see if I'm the only one out there that thinks it's an OK idea given it's provided by a private company and there's no health concerns, and it's safe, and can't be hacked, if me and only me have the location of it, the list goes on. But if there happens to be a product out there that matches all these criteria, would you do it? Would you risk the possibility, however small it may be, that if your child was taken from you either by force or without your knowledge, you would be pretty helpless and would be reliant on the authorities to help find your child.

Me, personally, if all the checks are fine, I would be ok with one. It would give you a huge advantage if your kid ends up getting lost somewhere busy or taken from a stranger, should they not assume the kid is chipped. There are, of course, many items of concern with this such as what I listed up above, the one that is bothering most is the ability to have your kids tracked, either by the government or just anyone in general and will be the make-or-break factor for me(Who on earth would want that?).

Instead of me blabbing on about pros and cons of it, what do you think? Would you or would you not have your kids chipped under the right circumstances? What are those circumstances? Why would or wouldn't you?

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Re: Microchipping your children

Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:15 PM

Sure.. lojack your children. It seemed to work well for Freddie Bensen's mom when Freddie was up to shenanigans.

BeLuvv Guardian is a LoJack-like system for tracking small kids
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Re: Microchipping your children

Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:17 PM

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Hell no I wouldn't let anyone chip my children!

Those children grow to become the next generation of adults... if we all start chipping our children so they "don't get lost or stolen", they'll all still be chipped as adults. Anything and everything could be stored on those chips.

You dismiss the big brother/government idea like it's a handful of paranoid crazies. Do you read the news? Are you aware of the amount of personal data being archived by the government? Why don't we chip all the kids so 15 years from now the government doesn't have to put any effort into tracking everything they do!

We need to give them all chastity belts and helmets and wrap them in bubble wrap and microchip them and keep them tethered with retractable leashes because something might happen to them. Watch your damned kids. Know where they are, who they are with, what they are doing... right there you've reduced your need for a microchip tenfold.

You'd have to put a bullet between my eyes before you put a microchip in my child.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:18 PM

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given it's provided by a private company

Those have never been known to hand over data to the Feds.

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and there's no health concerns,

I wouldn't mind just agreeing on vaccines.

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and it's safe,

As in doesn't come in a bag of broken glass or made up of rusty-jagged-Crusty-O's?

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and can't be hacked,

Pfffst.. right.

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if me and only me have the location of it, the list goes on.

Well the company you do business will always have the data, right? It has to so you know.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:24 PM

No, I would not.

Never trust government.
It doesn't matter if it was a private company doing it; government meddles all over.

Never give them the tools to do something like this in the first place.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:26 PM

So I see it's a privacy thing. So what would you do if your child was taken? All you would be able to do is wait while the authorities find the person and who even knows if your child would still be alive by then. The world is a scary place and you can only do so much to keep your children safe. I'm not saying the chip is a good thing I'm just saying it gives you a fighting chance if this has is ever to happen to anyone. :)
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:27 PM

I do remember the Saudis informing male guardians when women were leaving the country (unescorted). I think I hear a test bed!
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:32 PM

No parent wants to think about their child being taken... but chipping them wouldn't stop that. Would chipping mean they'd be found faster? Maybe, maybe not.

That's going to depend on the circumstance surrounding the kid's disappearance... whether or not custodial/non-custodial parents are involved... how long the child has been missing... if the local police/local state police barracks have the software needed to track the kid or can afford to hire a company that does... if the local police station even has a cop on duty when the shit goes down... if the state police are willing to send someone to Podunk to investigate something that could be nothing more than a kid who didn't ask permission before going to a friend's house or a parent who doesn't give a shit where their kid is at to begin with and only realized the spawn was missing when someone else brought it to their attention.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:33 PM

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I'm not saying the chip is a good thing I'm just saying it gives you a fighting chance if this has is ever to happen to anyone


No, that is just ensuring that every child who is kidnapped is harmed, as the kidnapper forcibly removes the chip.

I don't personally think it is a bad thing, but I am always wary about how much information is readily available to government organisations and others out there. I already carry a cellphone, so I am sure that I am being tracked at all times, but I like the idea that I can drop it and no longer be tracked. That isn't as readily available of an option if I was to have been chipped.

That's the reason that I spread out my information among a lot of companies (Microsoft for search, Google (yahoo, my personal site, hotmail, AOL) for email, Facebook for "social" crap, DIC for intellectual conversation, etc.). I don't want people to have access to everything that I am, but if they really want it I want them to have to work for it.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:34 PM

Just say'n:

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Put it another way: The Department of Justice reports that of the 800,000 children reported “missing” in the United States each year, 115 are the result of “stereotypical kidnapping” — a stranger snatching the child. About 90 percent of abductees return home within 24 hours and the vast majority are teenage runaways.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostCriel, on 08 October 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Me, personally, if all the checks are fine, I would be ok with one.

Heh, checks.

The CDC admitted that 98 Million Americans received a polio vaccine over an 8-Year span when it was contaminated with a cancer virus.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

Meh, if you wanna microchip your kids, go for it.

It's not like removing said chip is impossible... though would require surgery. Consider that for your kid, they might not appreciate it.

I wouldn't do it, but that's just because I'm 1) cheap and 2) believe kids should spend every day on the brink of death so that they can appreciate life when they have it.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

i would probably microchip myself if it meant my car wouldn't work without it, or my credit cards. would be pretty sweet.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:47 PM

That would be pretty sweet.
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Re: Microchipping your children

Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:04 PM

View Postmodi123_1, on 08 October 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Sure.. lojack your children. It seemed to work well for Freddie Bensen's mom when Freddie was up to shenanigans.

BeLuvv Guardian is a LoJack-like system for tracking small kids


I might point out that said Lo-Jack device is the size of a golf ball, and not an implant.

If this "chip" is an active transmitter it has to be powered by something, likely batteries. So, you need to install a battery unit in your kid to be able to change out their batteries every month or so.

If it's passive, the range is probably measured in inches or a hand full of feet.

I don't know specifically which chip we're talking about here, but I'm basically familiar with how they chip dogs. Basically, it's a passive transmitter chip that is implanted permenantly under the skin. If someone is within a few inches of the chip (like waving the wand/reader over the dog's body), the chip will transmit its number which can be read from the receiver unit a few inches away.

So, basically, all the chip holds is a number. This is the way most barcodes work as well. They typically just hold a single number. When the chip goes active it transmits that number for the whole world to "hear" via radio waves. But it's signal is only good for several inches.

The reason they do this with dogs is because a dog can't tell you where it lives. If they lose their tags and are found by strangers, there's no way to know where the dog lives. But if you take the dog to a vet or someone with a reader they can scan the dog and see if it is chipped. If it is, they can get the dog's number.

Barcodes and "chips" like this typically only contain a single number. There's not a mountain of data in there like a lot of people believe. This by itself is virtually useless. The "power" lies in the database its attached to.

With a barcode you scan it into a computer and the computer looks the number up in a database. That database may have mountains of data on that product, but the data is in the database, not the barcode itself.

Likewise, the dog's chip is worthless unless that number is in their database and that database contains information about where you can currently be found.

So, chipping your dog basically means keeping yourself on file with someone's database for the life of your dog. It's really you they are tracking, not the dog. The tracking is voluntary (but what's the point if you don't keep your contact info accurate in their database), but you are the one being tracked. If they find your dog, they will scan it and the number will pull up your info in the database for them to contact you.

So the bottom line is that I refuse to chip my dog because I don't want to be in someone's database. I certainly wouldn't chip my kids if I wouldn't even chip my dog.
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