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Re: Fewer Americans believe in Climate change...

Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:34 PM

No one in this thread has brought up that they're 95% certain that climate change is from human cause. (or have they, I may have overlooked a post)

You posted the CNN article stating that.

Thing is, what they're referring to is cited, I posted the source that info is from. It's huge though, and CNN is probably grabbing that specific 95% number from the summary section.

http://www.ipcc.ch/r...1/#.Ul2X81Ckr2L
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:34 PM

THE EXISTENCE OF SNOW AND COLD WEATHER DOES NOT MEAN GLOBAL WARMING ISN'T HAPPENING. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLIMATE AND WEATHER.

just felt like pointing that out because it needs pointing out every time this fucking topic comes up.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:36 PM

@lod - I was just poking fun at farrell2k's claims of facts and chucking out alternative causalities of why those numbers may be screwed up.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:45 PM

View Postsupersloth, on 15 October 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

THE EXISTENCE OF SNOW AND COLD WEATHER DOES NOT MEAN GLOBAL WARMING ISN'T HAPPENING. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLIMATE AND WEATHER.

just felt like pointing that out because it needs pointing out every time this fucking topic comes up.


I understand this. I was simply citing actual, documentation to contradict Daren's claims that there has been significantly less snowfall since the 80s.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:18 PM

if darren had made the claim about garret county, you would have made a very good point! but he didn't, because he was talking about climate (albeit without numbers or sources), and you made a point about weather.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:35 PM

View Postlordofduct, on 15 October 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

No, I'm as close as necessary.

Genetic mutation is a fact, evolution is the theory that extrapolates genetic mutation to be what many call 'evolution'. Of course some people will use the word evolution to name the facts that support the theory of evolution. Many identify this as being confusing ("I screw a screw with a screwdriver" is my favorite analogy of this), and instead prefer to only call the theory part 'evolution'.

It most definitely IS theory. It's just that theory, in the case of the scientific nomenclature isn't the same as the colloquial meaning. The colloquial being that a theory is a guess, where as the scientific meaning is: "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained."

Good job clearing it up though...

I also appreciate your condescending attitude to Americans. Because you know, we're all cave-men throwing rocks over here.


The theory of evolution is a theory. That evolution happens is a fact.

Evolution and thee theory that tests, makes predictions upon, and explains it are NOT the same, just as gravity and the theory of gravity are not the same. One explains the other.

Genetic mutation is a fact. Natural selection is a fact. Sexual selection is a fact. Genetic drift is a fact. All of these contribute to evolution.

Evolution is not a theory. Evolution is an observed fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory.

To claim that evolution is not a fact is simply wrong. You must not confuse the object with that which explains it.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:41 PM

there's also a pretty big difference between a scientific theory and just a theory, even though we describe them as one and the same colloquially.
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Re: Fewer Americans believe in Climate change...

Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:41 PM

Already stated.
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Re: Fewer Americans believe in Climate change...

Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:43 PM

oops, missed that, only read farrel's post there.

BUT ALSO MAYBE IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT SHOULD BE REITERATED.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:53 PM

View Postlordofduct, on 15 October 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.


Nor would I with you, but claiming that evolution is not a fact is not a problem of semantics. Evolution is a fact, plain and simple. To describe it otherwise is simply wrong.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:09 PM


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Re: Fewer Americans believe in Climate change...

Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:12 PM

View Postfarrell2k, on 15 October 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

View Postlordofduct, on 15 October 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.


Nor would I with you, but claiming that evolution is not a fact is not a problem of semantics. Evolution is a fact, plain and simple. To describe it otherwise is simply wrong.


You didn't read my post then.

You do know what a fact is right?
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:11 PM

DarenR I'm sorry but there are so many variables that could cause your observations to differ. So.. Unless you're a meteorologist, your anecdotal evidence really doesn't help the conversation.
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Re: Fewer Americans believe in Climate change...

Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostBenignDesign, on 15 October 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

View PostDarenR, on 15 October 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

For instance in early 80's snow was much more common and we recieved more than we do now.


http://garrettcounty...nnual-snowfall/
I drive to work in this shit. Please, tell me again how snow is so uncommon now...


Daren says snow was more common in the 80s. More common where? In his local area? Nationwide? Globally? Because the CLIMATE in my region does not support his claim. And I cited a source to illustrate that point.
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