Are software engineers considered to be real engineers?

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Are software engineers considered to be real engineers?

Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:50 AM

Someone recently told me a software engineer is not a real engineer and likewise a microsoft certifice systems engineer is not a real engineer.

He also said Network engineer is not a real engineer and a Telecomunications Engineer is not a real engineer.
He further went on to say a Computer Engineer isn't a real engineer.
Apparently real engineers fall into the category of Electrical, Mechanical, Civil, Petroleum, Chemical and Aerospace.

Is there some kind of body that determines any of this?

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:06 AM

Is this someone by any chance an Engineer?
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:37 AM

^ No he is not.

He is about to start a degree in electrical engineering.

Could it be a case of him being confused by classic engineer?

I find it hard to believe that a software engineer isn't a real engineer although it isn't the first time I have heard such an argument.

Could be a case that since software does not really deal with tangible things that people have a different view or they are just ignorant.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:52 AM

wiki said:

An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical, societal and commercial problems. Engineers design materials, structures, and systems while considering the limitations imposed by practicality, regulation, safety, and cost. The word engineer is derived from the Latin roots ingeniare ("to contrive, devise") and ingenium ("cleverness").

The work of engineers forms the link between scientific discoveries and their subsequent applications to human needs and quality of life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

A Software Engineer is an Engineer by this description, he just doesn't wear overalls.. unless he wants to ;)

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:03 AM

Software Engineer :wiki

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Use of the title "Engineer"

Suitability of the term

Main article: Regulation and licensure in engineering
Many people[who?] believe that software engineering implies a certain level of academic training, professional discipline, adherence to formal processes, and especially legal liability that often are not applied in cases of software development. A common analogy is that working in construction does not make one a civil engineer, and so writing code does not make one a software engineer.

In 1978, a prominent computing scientist, E. W. Dijkstra, wrote in a paper that the coining of the term software engineer was not useful since it was an inappropriate analogy, "The existence of the mere term has been the base of a number of extremely shallow—and false—analogies, which just confuse the issue...Computers are such exceptional gadgets that there is good reason to assume that most analogies with other disciplines are too shallow to be of any positive value, are even so shallow that they are only confusing."[18]

In each of the last few decades, at least one radical new approach has entered the mainstream of software development (e.g. Structured Programming, Object Orientation), implying that the field is still changing too rapidly to be considered an engineering discipline. Proponents argue that the supposedly radical new approaches are evolutionary rather than revolutionary.[citation needed]

Individual commentators have disagreed sharply on how to define software engineering or its legitimacy as an engineering discipline. David Parnas has said that software engineering is, in fact, a form of engineering.[19][20] Steve McConnell has said that it is not, but that it should be.[21] Donald Knuth has said that programming is an art and a science.[22] Edsger W. Dijkstra claimed that the terms software engineering and software engineer have been misused[clarification needed] and should be considered harmful, particularly in the United States.[23]

This suggests that people enjoy arguing about the use of the term Engineer.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:04 AM

^ HAHA yeah

Good looking out there, well this is good to know.

I guess then this is safe to say a MCSE isn't a real Engineer since there is 0 scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity in a Microsoft certified systems engineer.
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Re: Are software engineers considered to be real engineers?

Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:12 AM

View Postjohn5220, on 19 July 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

I guess then this is safe to say a MCSE isn't a real Engineer since there is 0 scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity in a Microsoft certified systems engineer.

I didn't address that part of the question and you will find that others dispute your assessment.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:17 AM

When I was a little boy, I wanted to be an engineer.

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And if I wanna call myself an engineer, then I'm an engineer!

Tooooot, Toooooooot!

What... are you going to steal the dream of a little boy?

"ALLLLL ABOARD!!!"
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:50 AM

Pfffst... you call yourself an engineer and tell folks to "come on ride the train"?! Give me back your fancy train engineer hat!

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

omg I haven't heard that song in years


View Postandrewsw, on 19 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

A Software Engineer is an Engineer by this description, he just doesn't wear overalls.. unless he wants to ;)

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sexist!
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:21 AM

I was referring to the bear ;)
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

bears can be girls too
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:35 AM

This one's a guy, his name is Boris. Boris the Engineer.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:36 PM

just admit it bro, u sexis
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:42 PM

All bears are equal in my eyes, regardless of which field of engineering they wish to pursue.
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