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i added this up so tell me if im wrong

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:05 PM

there is 4,586,471,424 different combination of 7 letter words ,or less then 7 letters, that can be made using only lower case a-z

so using only lower case a-z english alphabet you can come up with 4,586,471,424 different combinations (some are words and some arnt)

(i added that up ... tell me if its wrong .... i dont think it is)

i was just thinking how hard it would be to make the best word list the contained every combination you could get ............ if such a list was made and translated into md5 or des you could have the ultimate md5/des or anything else for that matter decrypter ......... theres already program that let you input a list to check against encrypted words ..... i guess all we are waiting on is this unseen list ......


i think it would take a single person half a year to make a list that went up to 16 letter combinations and had every key (upper case and lower case) on the keyboard


think about how big that file would be ...... my guess is around 750mb or more easy maybe even 1gb


WoW .... now thats a thought

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Re: cool fact ....

Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:11 PM

Combinatorics and permutations are cool?
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:20 PM

couple things, there is a method to do this (but much smarter) called rainbow tables, that take up gigs and gigs of space.

Second DES uses 56bit key size only, which is much bigger than the 5 bit one you are describing.

Thirdly, there are collisions in MD5, so you don't have a 1 to 1 function to recover the exact plaintext of the hash.

fourthly, silly rabbit, trix are for kids
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:55 PM

View PostNova Dragoon, on 4 Nov, 2007 - 08:20 PM, said:

couple things, there is a method to do this (but much smarter) called rainbow tables, that take up gigs and gigs of space.

Second DES uses 56bit key size only, which is much bigger than the 5 bit one you are describing.

Thirdly, there are collisions in MD5, so you don't have a 1 to 1 function to recover the exact plaintext of the hash.

fourthly, silly rabbit, trix are for kids

i know ... i have Winrtgen

im just sayiing

and yes some md5 encryption equal the same as others .... like maybe "johnny" equals "pjhky" ... i know that but if you have a list like

johnny = hgJF7RT.V4twe89fdbYsvJthgt56DscK.
pjhky = hgJF7RT.V4twe89fdbYsvJthgt56DscK.

i think i know witch one your going to use as the password

so using a wordlist like im talking about with a Brute force program can get you the word


.... alll im saying is think of that word list

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 09:31 PM

consider it thought.

consider that thought expelled from my head.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 12:38 AM

i think there are actually 26^7 combinations assuming a letter can appear more than once in the word.

this is actually 8,031,810,176 combinations.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 06:41 AM

View PostDark_Nexus, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 12:38 AM, said:

i think there are actually 26^7 combinations assuming a letter can appear more than once in the word.

this is actually 8,031,810,176 combinations.


26? .... the english alphabet contains 24 letters so its 24 to the power of 7 ........ by the way i was just saying it would be cool to look at a list like this and think of the work that went into it ...... you guys didnt need to be rude and mock me...... no i remember why i stop coming on this site .... thanks

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:21 AM

nope, it's defnitely 26:

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z

count 'em up.



And if you're accepting 7 or less as you originally stated, it would be:

7^26 + 6^26 + 5^26 + 4^26 + 3^26 + 2^26 + 1^26



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...... you guys didnt need to be rude and mock me......


It states right off the start that there are no programming questions in this forum. If you want a real discussion about decryption, choose one of the other forums. This forum is where people come to post on fun stuff - and usually that means making fun of someone. If you'd bothered looking back over the other threads, you'd find that it's the norm, and pretty much everyone takes it good-naturedly.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:22 AM

View Posthyteck, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 07:41 AM, said:

View PostDark_Nexus, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 12:38 AM, said:

i think there are actually 26^7 combinations assuming a letter can appear more than once in the word.

this is actually 8,031,810,176 combinations.


26? .... the english alphabet contains 24 letters so its 24 to the power of 7 ........ by the way i was just saying it would be cool to look at a list like this and think of the work that went into it ...... you guys didnt need to be rude and mock me...... no i remember why i stop coming on this site .... thanks



Yeah, there are 26 letters in the alphabet duders.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:45 AM

I AM TEH ALPHABETS!!!


but yeah, everyone makes fun of everyone here. And hits on my dead sister.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:09 AM

she died?

no way mang
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Re: cool fact ....

Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:15 AM

View Postjjhaag, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 09:21 AM, said:

nope, it's defnitely 26:

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z

count 'em up.

I demand a recount!! some of those are fake...I've never seen a 'w' or 'j' before. :)


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26? .... the english alphabet contains 24 letters so its 24 to the power of 7 ........ by the way i was just saying it would be cool to look at a list like this and think of the work that went into it ...... you guys didnt need to be rude and mock me...... no i remember why i stop coming on this site .... thanks

This actually made my day. Awesome. 24 letters...slick.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:46 AM

View Postaxel, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 07:45 AM, said:

I AM TEH ALPHABETS!!!


but yeah, everyone makes fun of everyone here. And hits on my dead sister.


The only time I've ever seen serious conversations in the lounge was whenever someone in real life related to a member actually died and we all pay our respects in the thread. That's about it, otherwise I'm pretty much all Nova Dragoon or Videege makes fun of, whenever they're on.

Edit:
Wasn't the tide mark a letter in the alphabet at some point? Ex: Kawaii~

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 09:47 AM

View PostAmadeus, on 5 Nov, 2007 - 08:15 AM, said:

I demand a recount!! some of those are fake...I've never seen a 'w' or 'j' before. :)


You bought one of those metric keyboards, I'm guessing.



And axel, I've just one word for you: necrophilia
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Necrophilia
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 04:55 PM

OOO @#$% .... my bad .... i had been working with numbers all day and didnt count them ... i was just think alphabet and 24 poped into my head not 26 .... dont know why .... and sorry for over reacting .... its just different typing ... you cant tell when someones playing and when someones not ... if i had known you guys just pock fun at ppl i may not of got mad .....

24 ...... wow ... i never thought you could look dumb doing to the power of something .... how wrong was i lol
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