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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 10 April 2016 - 11:13 AM

View PostCTphpnwb, on 10 April 2016 - 12:12 PM, said:

So your argument is that developers suck? Ok, but as you've pointed out, they suck in all languages. Why pick on one and not all the others?


Sigh. Welcome to the thread, two weeks ago:

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That said, creating a better idiot isn't the worst thing. If the floor is a little higher, maybe we can struggle a little less to build good software.


There's no argument for using shittier tools unless we get something in return.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 10 April 2016 - 04:43 PM

View Postlordofduct, on 06 April 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

So it was removed just a few months ago? Since PHP7 was only just released in December.

It only reasserts to me that PHP is still the hellscape it was the last time I used it. Bloated, quarky, "easy to learn - easy to break".

Hey, let's keep the punches above the belt, there's no need to accuse PHP of being a theoretical particle.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 11 April 2016 - 04:43 AM

No i don't think so, i have a solid command on php and c#, asp.net
According to the TIOBE Language Index, PHP ranks as the 6th most popular language online.
and php have a large community.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:53 AM

View Poste_i_pi, on 10 April 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

View Postlordofduct, on 06 April 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

So it was removed just a few months ago? Since PHP7 was only just released in December.

It only reasserts to me that PHP is still the hellscape it was the last time I used it. Bloated, quarky, "easy to learn - easy to break".

Hey, let's keep the punches above the belt, there's no need to accuse PHP of being a theoretical particle.


Yeah that's a strange accusation.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:17 AM

But charming in its way.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 11 April 2016 - 12:01 PM

I hope it never dies....at least until something as good or better comes along.

Because PHP is the only tool I know of that lets me download a portable binary for Windows and do stuff like extract keys from a pfx encapsulated certificate without needing to install a whole host of other stuff.

https://gist.github....a225f2a28caa15b
<?php
//Requires php with the openssl module.
//This is useful for instances where installing openssl isn't an option
// but PHP is available, like on Windows servers using WAMP.
//use php extractpfx.php /path/tocert.pfx "pass phrase"
//http://php.net/manual/en/function.openssl-pkcs12-read.php
if(file_exists($argv[1])) {
  $rawpfx = file_get_contents($argv[1]);
  $crts = array();
  $parsed = openssl_pkcs12_read($rawpfx, $crts, (isset($argv[2])) ? $argv[2] : "");
  echo $crts["cert"];
  if(isset($crts["pkey"])) 
    echo $crts["pkey"];
  if(isset($crts["extracerts"])) {
    foreach($crts["extracerts"] as $c) {
      echo $c;
    }
  }
} else {
  error_log("File doesn't exist");
}

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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 11 April 2016 - 03:17 PM

View Postsnoj, on 11 April 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

I hope it never dies....at least until something as good or better comes along.


So, until about 2008 or so?
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 12 April 2016 - 06:11 AM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 11 April 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

View Postsnoj, on 11 April 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

I hope it never dies....at least until something as good or better comes along.


So, until about 2008 or so?


There's another executable with a general purpose language out there I can stick on a thumb drive and transport to pretty much any machine to do the things I need to get done?
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 12 April 2016 - 07:34 AM

Oh, you mean for scripting work? Well, I'm not sure why you'd put python on a thumb drive when it's already installed on any machine that's worth working on. And I'm definitely baffled by the choice of PHP as a scripting language - to me that sounds like using a double-clawed hammer as a screwdriver. But whatever, it's your headache.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 12 April 2016 - 08:15 AM

Better question: Is this thread ever going to die?

At this point you're not so much beating a dead horse, as much as lovingly grinding it's decaying bones into powder.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 12 April 2016 - 08:29 AM

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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 12 April 2016 - 10:07 AM

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 12 April 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

Oh, you mean for scripting work? Well, I'm not sure why you'd put python on a thumb drive when it's already installed on any machine that's worth working on. And I'm definitely baffled by the choice of PHP as a scripting language - to me that sounds like using a double-clawed hammer as a screwdriver. But whatever, it's your headache.


I do moonlight work from time to time. Sometimes that work requires me to do things on the client's machines but I can't go installing stuff because it might break stuff, require downtime, or would necessitate a good cleaning afterwards.

Case in point, the PFX extraction script I posted before. I couldn't move the file off server or go about installing openssl to do the extraction. PHP though has an openssl extension bundled and clean up was a simple deletion of the script and folder. I just don't know of anything else out there that lets me have a minimal impact on a client's environment and gives me the tools I need to get stuff done.
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Re: Is PHP going to die?

Posted 22 March 2017 - 11:17 PM

php won't die.
An increasing share of mobile devices, C10k, Web Sockets — yes, the way we use the Web is changing. Offerings like FastCGI/FPM, HHVM, and Ratchet are just the tip of the iceberg of what PHP needs to meet these challenges head-on.

This post has been edited by andrewsw: 22 March 2017 - 11:35 PM
Reason for edit:: removed unrelated promo link

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