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[link] Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucki

Posted 17 December 2016 - 08:54 PM

Fairly disconcerting, and should be on folks' radar.

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Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
Thought Java was 'free'? Think again (and you owe us $$$ in 2017)
16 Dec 2016

Oracle is massively ramping up audits of Java customers it claims are in breach of its licences – six years after it bought Sun Microsystems.

A growing number of Oracle customers and partners have been approached by Larry Ellison’s firm, which claims they are out of compliance on Java.

Oracle bought Java with Sun Microsystems in 2010 but only now is its License Management Services (LMS) division chasing down people for payment, we are told by people familiar with the matter.

The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their Java licences.
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The Register has learned of one customer in the retail industry with 80,000 PCs that was informed by Oracle it was in breach of its Java agreement. Oracle apparently told another Java customer it owed $100,000 – but the bill was slashed to $30,000 upon challenge.

Experts are now advising extreme caution in downloading Java SE while those who’ve downloaded should review their use – and be prepared before LMS comes calling. Those gurus separately told The Reg of an upswing in customers seeking help on Java licensing having been contacted by LMS in the second half of 2016.
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Java SE is free but Java SE Advanced Desktop, Advanced and Suite are not. Java SE Suite, for example, costs $300 per named user with a support bill of $66; there’s a per-processor option of $15,000 with a $3,300 support bill. Java SE comes with the free JDK and JRE, but Advanced Desktop, Advanced and Suite layer in additional capabilities such as Java Mission Control and Flight Recorder also known as JRockit Mission Control and JRockit Flight Recorder.
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Java SE is free for what Oracle defines as “general purpose computing” – devices that in the words of its licence cover desktops, notebooks, smartphones and tablets. It is not free for what Oracle’s licence defines as “specialized embedded computers used in intelligent systems”, which Oracle further defines as - among other things - mobile phones, hand-held devices, networking switches and Blu-Ray players.

It sounds simple enough, doesn't it? But it is customers in these general-purpose settings getting hit by LMS. The reason is there’s no way to separate the paid Java SE sub products from the free Java SE umbrella at download as Oracle doesn’t offer separate installation software.
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http://www.theregist..._non_compliance

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Re: [link] Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucki

Posted 18 December 2016 - 04:50 AM

It all sounds a bit sordid. Their time would be better spent providing a separate installation and promoting the benefits and features of a paid subscription.

I'm no lawyer (although I have stayed at the Holiday Inn ;)) but one would think the fact that there isn't, and wasn't, a separate installation for the subscription service should be enough grounds to dispute any claim for retrospective costs. A statement of costs, and the clarity of the steps required, should be a requirement before any claim can be pursued. Ambiguity in a statement or contract (or the steps pursuant to a contract) should favour the defendant.
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