Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

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Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 10:47 AM

Do you guys think it's more likely that universe is a spontaneous amalgamation of matter and energy into consciousness following a natural succession of incredible coincidences or is it more likely that we are living in an infinite loop of ever increasingly complicated computer simulations that become more complex as the civilizations creating them become more in control of metaphysical manipulations?
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 10:53 AM

The Big Bang happened, but we created our own simulacra.
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 10:59 AM

So the very framework and perception of existence is becoming neither more nor less complex; rather, it's our catalog that's evolving?
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:02 AM

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Hey, you guys see that 540 million year old creature with a giant mouth and no butthole? That's pretty wild. The precursor to all vertebrates.

I don't buy into "series of incredible coincidences" though, I don't think there's anything coincidental about it. It happened this way here because it was the only way it could happen here. It took several billion years for the conditions to be right for life to appear here, that sounds less like a coincidence and more like it just took a really long time for things to be right. How that happened is obviously up to debate, but it seems highly probable that it is possible to create life from no life if the right amino acid/protein soup gets hit with the right amount of electricity. Panspermia may be responsible for life on this planet, but at some point it had to get created from unliving things. Follow that with another couple billion more years of prokaryotes and eukaryotes and, bang, you've got a thing with a big mouth and no butthole. From then on it's only a matter of time until Trump shows up.
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:22 AM

Wow, and Trump is a big thing with no mouth and two buttholes. What are the odds?!

But yea, seriously. The Big Bang happened. It's not something we can really perceive to study, though. We have found no way to observe the state of existence prior to the Big Bang. We also really don't know how life came to be - we've got theories on abiogenesis, but we've not been able to successfully recreate it.

The problem with History is that nothing is by chance once it's occurred. Life developed on Earth. What were the odds? 1:1. To quote Lawrence Krauss, "The universe exists because it must." Incredibly rare events happen constantly. We're the result of one instance of that, billions of years ago. If we weren't, we wouldn't be questioning it. Had we evolved differently, we'd still be questioning it and reflecting on different circumstances with the same wonder. "It's a coincidence that Earth is in the perfect zone for human life." No, it's 100% by evolution that human life is suited to Earth's surface environment, at least for the next few years. Don't mistake your development to suit the environment for the environment being developed to suit you. The simulation theory is interesting - I mean hell, I loved the Matrix - but it's silly and has no basis in reality.
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:54 AM

I refuse to accept this giant mouth/no bung hole fantasy until there's proof of the link where "retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel".



What was this "catalog" thing?
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:56 AM

The lounge is a lot deeper than I remember it being. What have you people done to this place? I remember streaking and confetti, snark and general buffoonery! Now we have deep existential questions here? Things have changed!
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:04 PM

Hells bells - look who it is. Welcome back Kilorn!

How have you been?
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:09 PM

A lot has changed over the past several years, but I've adapted as usual so I can't complain too much. How the hell are you, modi?
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:10 PM

I thought I was being snarky...
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:11 PM

Bah.. life is anything but uninteresting. Slinging code, maybe dropping out to another ship, plunking away at a Unity game, crushing l33t [email protected] n00b dreams here, and being the inbox for people flipping out.. so, you know, business as usual. ha!
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:13 PM

Sounds about right. Looks like some things haven't changed.
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:14 PM

More spam.. a few faces rotated to alumni.. a few new moved up.. the wheel keeps a turning.
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 01:08 PM

Well Im in the 'Universe is not a simulation' camp as well,

I also dont believe the Universe is conscious just that it has conscious beings in it.

There have been a few maths people who committed suicide because they were so convinced the Universe is a simulation,

so I wouldn't entirely rule it out.. But it mainly focuses on a physical theory called supersymmetry and there have been no super symmetrical particles found in Nature so far...


Mathematically embedded into supersymmetry is a sort of data transfer protocol which is mathematically hidden inside the theory this has been the cause of the consternation in maths circles but as I said so far no super particles have detected at CERN or indeed anywhere else.

The “doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block codes” were discovered by an african american physicist called Dr Sylvester James Gates jr and that's a maths way of saying codes that are commonly used to remove errors in computer transmissions.

The fact that these codes are indeed hidden inside supersymmetry is not in dispute however there is no proof what so ever that supersymmetry applies to this universe in other words its just a theory.

Just adding another layer of weirdness to this thread....

I'm not sure if it needed it however....
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Re: Amalgamation of Conscious Elements or ∞ Loop of Simulations?

Posted 01 February 2017 - 01:16 PM

That was dealt with recently on SMBC. The Largest Number
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