Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 04:57 PM

View PostSam Hobbs, on 23 August 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

View PostAtli, on 23 August 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

It's not a programming language, that much is true, but it is a language nonetheless. Specifically, a Markup Language. (It's literally in the name: HyperText Markup Language.)

Yes, it is named a markup language but the term "language" does not make it a programming language.

I did agree it wasn't a programming language, mate. Back up on the defence a little bit :)

Programming languages aren't the only type of language out there. That's basically the only point I was trying to make here.
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:08 PM

View PostSam Hobbs, on 23 August 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

Are you saying that for (some of) the web pages/applications you work on the browser gets no HTML? If not and if there is always HTML for the browser then, as I said, HTML is always relevant. Saying it is not relevant just because you don't work with it does not make it irrelevant. Saying HTML is not relevant just because you don't work with it is like saying that databases are not relevant because a database person always handles that part.


If I almost never touch the HTML, and I'm a web developer, then HTML is not very relevant to me as a web developer. To put it another way, if someone came to interview on my team, and they said they didn't really know much about HTML, I wouldn't worry about that at all. On the other hand, if their python is weak, then we have a problem. One of these is more relevant than the other, for me and my team in the work that we do.
Your mileage may vary. (but if you're banging out a lot of HTML, I would wonder how much of your work is busywork that can be abstracted away)
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:22 PM

View PostAtli, on 23 August 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Programming languages aren't the only type of language out there. That's basically the only point I was trying to make here.

Someone posted a list of programming languages with HTML being the first. We were just trying to make the point that HTML is not a programming language. The subject of languages in general are not relevant to that.

View Postjon.kiparsky, on 23 August 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

If I almost never touch the HTML, and I'm a web developer, then HTML is not very relevant to me as a web developer.

As I said, I just wanted to make the point that HTML is not a programming language. Your impression of HTML seems highly consistent with that point. So why argue about it?
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 06:31 PM

Who's arguing?
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 07:44 PM

View PostSam Hobbs, on 24 August 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Someone posted a list of programming languages with HTML being the first. We were just trying to make the point that HTML is not a programming language. The subject of languages in general are not relevant to that.

He didn't actually specify it as a list of programming languages, only "languages".
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:23 PM

View PostAtli, on 23 August 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

View PostSam Hobbs, on 24 August 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Someone posted a list of programming languages with HTML being the first. We were just trying to make the point that HTML is not a programming language. The subject of languages in general are not relevant to that.

He didn't actually specify it as a list of programming languages, only "languages".

You are correct about that.

The atmosphere is just too hostile. I am unsubscribing from this and won't be back to these forums; I see I am not the first to give up due to the hostility. This place is worse than SitePoint.
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:51 PM

Oh, well. Best of luck!
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Posted 23 August 2017 - 10:37 PM

I was disappointed that CSS wasn't included in the list of languages.

Now, where's my blue pencil...



My wiki-wandering word of the day: homoiconicity
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 24 August 2017 - 04:27 AM

View PostSam Hobbs, on 24 August 2017 - 03:23 AM, said:

The atmosphere is just too hostile. I am unsubscribing from this and won't be back to these forums; I see I am not the first to give up due to the hostility. This place is worse than SitePoint.

If people daring to discuss the merits of your comments = hostility, then yes, you are definitely in the wrong place. I wish you luck. I hope you find a place that will coddle you to your satisfaction.

Personally I like the "hostility" here. I've learned a lot from it.
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:15 AM

View PostSam Hobbs, on 23 August 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

No, not true. Javascript does not require any other programming language. Server-side processing is required for server-side stuff like databases but Javascript can be used server-side, correct?.


Sure, the point was just that this wasn't a helpful analysis as these things aren't necessarily exclusive or comparable.
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:08 AM

This continues to be a weird thread. I was just thinking "that guy sounds a little bit defensive", and then he came out with "this place is hostile!" OK then. Also, continued props to the OP for never responding in his thread again.

As far as how relevant HTML is, while HTML is completely relevant to the web browser consuming my application, that doesn't mean it has to be relevant to the developer. Over my work day yesterday working on a new feature, this was the extent of any usage of actual HTML that I had to write:

return [
  'title' => new Zend_Json_Expr('ul.access_codes'),
  'hideMode' => 'offsets',
  'layout' => 'form',
  'items' => [
    [
      'bodyStyle' => "background: transparent; padding: 5px;",
      'border' => false,
      'html' => new Zend_Json_Expr('"<p>" + ul.access_code_info + "<br><br>" + ul.panel_immediate_changes + "</p>"'),
    ],
    [  //to grid
      'layout' => "anchor",
      'anchor' => "98%",
      'bodyStyle' => "background: transparent; padding: 5px;",
      'border' => false,
      'defaults' => [
        'anchor' => "98%"
      ],
      'items' => [
        new Zend_Json_Expr('access_code_grid'),
      ],
    ]
  ]
];

If you look closely, you may be able to notice a p tag and a couple br tags. HTML! Everything else, the Javascript library does the work of laying out the interface elements, I just tell it how I want it to do that. I have too much to do to worry about hand-writing the interface markup.
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Re: Which platform should I use for developing a web app?

Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:26 AM

You can use Java Programming language for developing a web app..
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