[RodgerB]

This topic may seem very strange, but hear me out. We are all animals, we should be able to meet our own natural needs as quickly and harmlessly as possible to increase our productivity. With that said, I don't really believe in the point of 'designated areas where certain things are acceptable'. Like change rooms (they are just.. ROOMS), what is wrong with getting dressed in public?

What is wrong with urinating in public? If you are pissing in a drain why should it be a problem (obviously uncontainable environments like carpet is considered vandalism really)? If you are strolling around naked why should it be anyone else's business? Now, I for one wouldn't be striding around naked as of today, due to the expectations of other people and my own personal standards. But the question in this topic really is, why do we allow ourselves to accept these standards?

We started out naked. What's the problem?

<cough>Sub-topics include Religion</cough>.

[gabehabe]

So you're saying...

That we should all have a DIC strike and let our DICs sway gently in the breeze?

[RodgerB]

Yesh sir.

I'm asking why we've allowed ourselves to have our right to have our DIC sway gently in the breeze taken away from us. Screw chaffing.

This post has been edited by RodgerB: 18 July 2008 - 03:15 AM

[gabehabe]

Well haven't you pretty much answered it already? Religion is the key factor, and because there are so many religious people who conform to these rules, we end up conforming to them too, just so that we aren't outcasts.

And if you think about it, clothes aren't just there to cover up our dangly bits, they're there to keep us warm. Granted, if we didn't wear clothes to begin with, we would have evolved to defend ourselves from the cold, by becoming hairier, or growing thicker skin, or whatever.

And they're also there to cover ourselves up because people always compare themselves to one another. Imagine this: You're standing outside, stark naked. (everyone else is naked too) It's cold. Your DIC has shriveled. And along comes some guy who is 6 foot tall with a DIC down to his knee. How would that make you feel?

[baavgai]

Society makes the standards. You are free to violate those standards, if you are willing to face the retribution deemed appropriate by the society you live in. Let's have small taboo fest.

Public urination, not a biggie in your opinion. Possible reasoning, no one gets hurt. So, all public displays are permissible? Hand holding? Kissing? Clothing optional? Butt sex on the street corner?

Eating human flesh? What if they're already dead? ( No one is hurt. ) What if it was a good friend and that's the acceptable way to show respect? Curiously, this is a large contributor Ebola outbreaks, but Western press avoids it; our taboo, but not theirs.

How about age of consent? Is 21 old enough to consent to sex? Is 18, the current norm? Stop me when you have a problem, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8? In some places, in some times, marring off a girl at 12 was acceptable. So was screwing her, whether she'd hit puberty or not.

The point is, the group decides what they'll tolerate and what they won't. Sex is usually the focal point of most taboos, death is probably second, scatological perhaps third. Personally, I don't want to see any couple doing the dirty on the salad bar, so I'm happy enough public lewdness laws would stop them. If it was acceptable, well, I guess I'd just pass on the salad.

[no2pencil]

baavgai, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 07:42 AM, said:

Public urination, not a biggie in your opinion.

Like most things, people won't be kind about it, they'll do it all over. Humans get selfish & don't care about others property. It only takes one apple (asshole) to ruin the bunch, as they say.

baavgai, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 07:42 AM, said:

Eating human flesh?

I'd totally try it. Deep fry me some next door neighbor. Puts a whole new perspective on ordering a kids meal.

baavgai, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 07:42 AM, said:

I don't want to see any couple doing the dirty on the salad bar, so I'm happy enough public lewdness laws would stop them. If it was acceptable, well, I guess I'd just pass on the salad.

Sweet, I'll have your share then. More salad for the #2pencil!

[RodgerB]

http://en.wikipedia....Streaking_2.jpg (NSFW)

I don't see one person pointing and laughing at his/her genitals. I was more or less talking about having the freedom to not wear clothes in public, not remove the right to wear them. Again, I said nothing about people having a root on the salad bar. We may be animals, but public sex is highly indecent and has been through most cultures.

[gabehabe]

I laughed. They've got saggy bums.

[Nykc]

I pee in the woods all the time when I am at the golf course. Sometimes they just don't put enough port-o-potties out there.

[baavgai]

RodgerB, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 08:38 AM, said:

public sex is highly indecent and has been through most cultures.

So is pissing on a fire hydrant. You're making at judgment and at the same time asking one not be made. I'm confused.

Nykc, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 10:48 AM, said:

I pee in the woods all the time when I am at the golf course. Sometimes they just don't put enough port-o-potties out there.

Same. If the squirrels can do then I bloody well can, too.

Norms are not just highly subjective, they're also very contextual. You go to the a bathroom to take a leak and that's acceptable. The flusher does work. You can use the sink; same porcelain, same ultimate destination, same water to wash it clean. And yet, for reasons I've never been able to fully pin down, sink pissing is usually a no no.

[RodgerB]

baavgai, on 19 Jul, 2008 - 01:13 AM, said:

RodgerB, on 18 Jul, 2008 - 08:38 AM, said:

public sex is highly indecent and has been through most cultures.

So is pissing on a fire hydrant. You're making at judgment and at the same time asking one not be made. I'm confused.

I suppose I'm only going on what I'd deem acceptable in public, and that everyone has their own opinions as to what is acceptable in public. I for one will go take a piss on a tree in a secluded area, because there isn't a toilet available, but when political correctness gets involved with someone that's busting, it is complete nonsense and people are making a big deal over nothing (if they are urinating discreetly, if they are just whizzing it around trying to write their name in the sky then that would be a little bit wrong).

Sink pissing would be shunned upon because people go to the sinks for hygiene. People don't go to a drain on the sidewalk for anything, so again I don't see the problem with it. Sink shitting would suck.

@gabehabe: Kudos to you then .

[WolfCoder]

I'm an animalistic person (Oh my god big surprise), but I wear clothes as an armor because I don't have a fur coat on me. With jackets, raincoats, umbrellas, and field clothes I can travel to many different climate zones just fine.

There's some people I really wouldn't want to see getting changed in public either, but it's safe to assume there's people who wouldn't like to see others changing, and as long as I'm in human cities I'm not going to change in public I'll use their rooms as they want me to.

I don't know about you but I'd prefer my private areas to be protected from nature. Also, the streets aren't mine to piss or take a dump in, they belong to people who pay taxes and I see it as nearly equivalent as if you walked into a public building and covered it with urine. If you wanna piss like an animal go out into some wilderness. In fact if you want to do all of the above you can go out in the wilderness and live like a furry all you want. Don't come into our human cities and make a mess in the already-trashed places. If you want to live here you have to follow the rules, like a guest at the house. Sure you're supposed to be treated nicely as citizens but you also have to respect the fact other people live here too.

Besides, WTF of all people I'm the only one who thinks this so far?

Though I'll admit if I was a wolf, I would love programming as much as I love hunting and eating any remotely tasty small animals and sleeping all day and howling (and programming) all night.

(As Thorian pointed out)
I'd control the touchpad with my tounge and jab the keys with my paws or also my tounge. If I bought one of those weird large numpads for the laptop I could own at first person shooters by remapping WASD and others to the numpad or using a POV tilt D-Pad and use that. It's a good thing I'm an RPG fan because It's not an action game and I can 1-hand those if I set all the actions to the numpad or something. Plug the wires and stuff in with my mouth and carry the laptop on my back by putting my head through a strap. I would literally be the Wolf Coder.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 21 July 2008 - 10:05 AM

[RodgerB]

WolfCoder, on 22 Jul, 2008 - 02:39 AM, said:

Besides, WTF of all people I'm the only one who thinks this so far?

Because you interpreted the cause of this topic incorrectly. I didn't say the streets were mine to piss on, or ask that the streets give me their permission to piss on them, I asked how humanity came to the conclusion that nudity is unacceptable. Gabehabe probably answered it anyway.

[PsychoCoder]

WolfCoder, on 21 Jul, 2008 - 09:39 AM, said:

Also, the streets aren't mine to piss or take a dump in, they belong to people who pay taxes

I pay taxes, I helped pay for said streets, so if I wanted to piss in a drain, in a street I helped pay for, why cant I? Fortunately I live way out in the country so if I wanted to go on my front porch and take a piss I can, and have. I do personally believe we are too restricted in what we are allowed to do, and they're attempting to take more and more from us daily.

I can kind of see where Rodger is coming from

[WolfCoder]

Well I mean more than just you paid for it though.