Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

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Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 09 October 2008 - 11:50 AM

So while I was idly slash dotting I came across this little article

Slashdot: Quantas Blames Wireless for Crashes


You would have thought that they would test consumer equipment on planes before allowing it on.

Is it possible for the clicking of a mouse to indeed cause problems with a plane's navigation system?

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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 09 October 2008 - 12:51 PM

I'm not sure if you guys have Mythbusters over in the UK, but they tested this on that show. Turns out that no consumer devices are powerful enough to penetrate the RF shielding required by law on avionic equipment. I think quantas is FOS on this one...
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:59 PM

It can't. Dave is right.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 09 October 2008 - 11:42 PM

So someone is telling porkies...
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 09 October 2008 - 11:43 PM

I saw that episode of Mythbusters too.

I really enjoy that show.
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 12:06 PM

Impossible and Mythbusters proved it.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 11 October 2008 - 07:52 PM

View Postno2pencil, on 9 Oct, 2008 - 11:43 PM, said:

I saw that episode of Mythbusters too.

I really enjoy that show.


Anybody that doesn't, needs to be shot. B)
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 11 October 2008 - 09:01 PM

View PostLocke37, on 11 Oct, 2008 - 07:52 PM, said:

View Postno2pencil, on 9 Oct, 2008 - 11:43 PM, said:

I saw that episode of Mythbusters too.

I really enjoy that show.


Anybody that doesn't, needs to be shot. B)


Seconded.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 11 October 2008 - 09:03 PM

Yup, the Planes equipment is successfully shielded against a LOT more then the usual shielding. It's designed with safety in mind, and it's kept a lot more secure then regular equipment.

Besides, WiFi isn't a very strong signal, it spreads out everywhere. If anything would penetrate it, you'd need plenty more then the voltage and current a small battery could give out, and you'd need more of a focused beam rather then a general signal.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 15 October 2008 - 02:26 AM

If anyones interested, found an update on this topic Slashdot

Apparently it was computer error rather than the so-called interference from computers that they initially blamed it on.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 15 October 2008 - 02:26 AM

It was most likely human error, & the human lied.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 15 October 2008 - 03:36 AM

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Is it possible for the clicking of a mouse to indeed cause problems with a plane's navigation system?

I don't think it interferes with the navigational equipment as both use frequencies in totally different ranges.
I'm pretty sure it was something else.
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 15 October 2008 - 09:49 AM

View Postno2pencil, on 15 Oct, 2008 - 02:26 AM, said:

It was most likely human error, & the human lied.


Human nature and self preservation --> When you screw up, blame someone/something else to cover it up so you don't look like an idiot. :ph34r:
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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 20 October 2008 - 02:56 PM

It is not too far fetched to imagine that some portable consumer electronics could interfere with flight controls/data.

If I recall there was incident where a laptop's HD caused interference with the landing equipment. This seems more than plausible to me.

An antenna is open to receive... that is what it does... if you happen to generate a weak but close signal somewhere within the proper bandwidth then you will interfere with the reception. Now with digital communications this is usually not a big deal, but with analog signals this can be.

As for controls... they are generally hooked to long runs of wire... which end up working like big antennas... so again there is a possibility that it will pick up on stray signals and misinterpret them (like speakers spattering from cell phone interference).

There is only so much you can do to block this... and the longer you make your wire runs, the harder it is to block interference (but the more power the interference would need before it made a measurable impact).

The mechanism is there... and appropriate measures should be taken to avoid the freak accidents when something just happens to find the right frequency to cause trouble.


But I can tell you -- flight attendants almost never turn their cell phones off.

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Re: Wifi "Cause Plane Crash"

Posted 21 October 2008 - 01:42 AM

I know this isn't entirely related, but now you've brought the thread up I may as well ask...

Is there any chance of damage when you put your laptop/portable Hard Drives through the x-ray machine?

I have this image in my head of these giant magnets which will corrupt all my data, could you relieve me of my nightmare?
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