[RobG]

I'd like to know why my "where's the Beep" was moved from c++ forum
to Computor Support & Operating Systems. After all it had more than
100 views and 11 replies whilst in c++.

I find Beep to be vital development tool and was hoping that somone might suggest
a suitable replacment.

many thanks

RobG

[Locke]

RobG, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 09:49 AM, said:

I'd like to know why my "where's the Beep" was moved from c++ forum
to Computor Support & Operating Systems. After all it had more than
100 views and 11 replies whilst in c++.

That doesn't matter.

True, it might have had a suitable place here, but I also think a suitable place for it would have been the Computer Support & Operating Systems forum.

Anyway...why ask a question about it in a separate thread?

(FYI...this thread has no suitable place in the C++ forum.)

They can move it back to C++, but let the mods/admins decide that.

This post has been edited by Locke37: 19 December 2008 - 11:03 AM

[Amadeus]

Hi, your post was moved to another forum due to the fact that the most common 'beep' searched for is simply the system noise. As it turns out, the one you're looking for is a platform specific proprietary function, not applicable to all system development. Not sure how it's a vital development tool (I've been developing professionally for a long time, and have never needed to use it), but in any case, there are answers to your post.

As to your assertion that an in depth knowledge on the win32 library is a requirement for a competent C++ programmer, I can point you to many well known developer who would never have touched the library at all. And before you ask, I am well acquainted with Win32 myself...saw your post this mornig, but chose not to answer due to your attitude.

As a side note, I expect your rude comments and arrogant assumptions may contribute more to responses trailing off than a forum move.

Finally, if you have a comment about site policy (such as this post), please post in the Site Feedback forum.

[Louisda16th]

Say... The thread has a funny title . Anyone knows where his beep was moved?

[KYA]

Expletive deleted

[RobG]

Amadeus, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 10:05 AM, said:

Hi, your post was moved to another forum due to the fact that the most common 'beep' searched for is simply the system noise. As it turns out, the one you're looking for is a platform specific proprietary function, not applicable to all system development. Not sure how it's a vital development tool (I've been developing professionally for a long time, and have never needed to use it), but in any case, there are answers to your post.

As to your assertion that an in depth knowledge on the win32 library is a requirement for a competent C++ programmer, I can point you to many well known developer who would never have touched the library at all. And before you ask, I am well acquainted with Win32 myself...saw your post this mornig, but chose not to answer due to your attitude.

As a side note, I expect your rude comments and arrogant assumptions may contribute more to responses trailing off than a forum move.

Finally, if you have a comment about site policy (such as this post), please post in the Site Feedback forum.

Hi Amadeus,

have I touched a raw nerve? We obvoiusly live on different planets!

Just who is this "well known developer" who would not touch win32? Tell me his name
and I'll eat humble pie. I'm not going to get into a heated debate here, but you really do
need a lot more learning.

robG

[Nykc]

Wow - you really ought not come in here insulting our staff and members. Maybe if you were a little more descriptive in your titles and posts in general you would have received a more satisfying answer. "Where's the beep" tells me you need to learn a little more about the subject matter you seek opinion on.

Since you are such the expert on win32 - why don't you take the time to school everyone on the matter so we may someday be as cool as you.

[KYA]

I was wondering the same thing. If you're an expert why are you asking us on WinAPI functions?

[Amadeus]

RobG, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 01:36 PM, said:

Hi Amadeus,

have I touched a raw nerve? We obvoiusly live on different planets!

Just who is this "well known developer" who would not touch win32? Tell me his name
and I'll eat humble pie. I'm not going to get into a heated debate here, but you really do
need a lot more learning.

robG

I'm not sure why you think you touched a nerve...the content of my post simply noted a few facts. If you are referring to my reference to your comments, rest assured I have no personal stake in them...just mentioning that accusing members of having learning disabilities is likely not the best way to get responses.

Why would someone who did not develop anything requiring Windows API calls be familiar with Win32 (that name is actually deprecated now)?

As for more learning, I agree...I am always learning as I go through life. While there may be some things I do not know about the Windows API, I can assure you that if I am not familiar with them, they are likely not that common...I've done extensive Windows dev over the years, so have had to use the Windows API information quite often.

I'm not asking you to eat humble pie at all. Your diet choices are your own. I will say this however:

Quote

As for Beep, its a vital function
used by every coder that I know, more as a debugging aid as anything
else.

If you are only able to debug or pinpoint your location in program flow through some sort of auditory signal, I would suggest you and the other programmers you know may be the ones in need of learning.

[Jayman]

Moved to Site Feedback.

Topic moved because this is where it belongs, not because you think it will get more traffic in C++.

Quote

I find Beep to be vital development tool

Seriously? Are you blind? That is the only reason I could ever see this as being used for a development tool.

[RobG]

Amadeus, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 11:00 AM, said:

RobG, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 01:36 PM, said:

Hi Amadeus,

have I touched a raw nerve? We obvoiusly live on different planets!

Just who is this "well known developer" who would not touch win32? Tell me his name
and I'll eat humble pie. I'm not going to get into a heated debate here, but you really do
need a lot more learning.

robG

I'm not sure why you think you touched a nerve...the content of my post simply noted a few facts. If you are referring to my reference to your comments, rest assured I have no personal stake in them...just mentioning that accusing members of having learning disabilities is likely not the best way to get responses.

Why would someone who did not develop anything requiring Windows API calls be familiar with Win32 (that name is actually deprecated now)?

As for more learning, I agree...I am always learning as I go through life. While there may be some things I do not know about the Windows API, I can assure you that if I am not familiar with them, they are likely not that common...I've done extensive Windows dev over the years, so have had to use the Windows API information quite often.

I'm not asking you to eat humble pie at all. Your diet choices are your own. I will say this however:

Quote

As for Beep, its a vital function
used by every coder that I know, more as a debugging aid as anything
else.

If you are only able to debug or pinpoint your location in program flow through some sort of auditory signal, I would suggest you and the other programmers you know may be the ones in need of learning.

Where did I say that I was only able to debug or pinpoint program flow?
If you can only used such inventions to prove your point, you are beyong help.
Now where is this developer who does not use win32? Please tell me!
May I sugest that you look through your own code and if you have an doubts as to
the origin of a function, try google. You may be surpised.


robG

[Locke]

RobG, on 19 Dec, 2008 - 10:36 AM, said:

Just who is this "well known developer" who would not touch win32? Tell me his name
and I'll eat humble pie. I'm not going to get into a heated debate here, but you really do
need a lot more learning.

robG

First off, I believe Amadeus meant many a well known programmer on this site (maybe not, but I dunno). First off, one of the guys that replied in your original thread, baavgai, is one of the best and helpful I know. And as far as I can tell, he's not really familiar with Windows APIs, because he programs on Linux...that would be a valid to not know a Windows API, wouldn't it?

Just because you don't know a specific API doesn't mean you're incompetent in <insert language here>. I'm perfectly competent in the languages I know. I just don't delve to extensively into them at any given point in time. With what I know, I am very competent. I'm not an expert, however, I provide good help with decent concepts. Sure, I don't make fancy Windows applications in C++ (then again, I started the language less than 6 months ago), but I offer beginner/intermediate help when I can. Believe it or not, competency is subjective (for the most part).

And I'm going to agree with Nykc...you shouldn't insult us if you're the one asking for help.

This post has been edited by Locke37: 19 December 2008 - 12:52 PM

[Amadeus]

robG,

Are you somehow under the impression that Win32 (more properly known as the Windows API) is applicable to all platforms? Or that Microsoft was the originator of C++?

Sorry to ask, but I need to know how far back to go to fully answer your questions.

[KYA]

If I HAD to name a corporation that had a role in the development of C++ I would say AT&T simply because Bjarne is a fellow with them.

[PsychoCoder]

RobG,

You are fighting a loosing battle here. Your thread was moved to the appropriate forum by an Administrator who is extremely good at his job and knows where things should go. You continuing to insult all those who are trying to point this out is doing nothing but lessening your chances of ever getting help here, because most people aren't going to take the time to help someone who is rude, condescending and down right arrogant when anything is said to them.

To sit there and take the time to insult one of the best programmers I've known (and trust me that's a huge statement because I think of myself as a quite good programmer myself) is getting you no where. The Windows API, nor Beep() is not, and never will be an essential tool in programming, no matter what you may think. I too know many expert programmers who would never touch the Windows API because, well because it's not always necessary to hook into the OS to do something. Most things can be done without that, and I find that a large number of people who constantly use the Windows API are merely trying to make themselves look better.

Yes I have Win32 in my list of "Expert In", that's because when I went to college (many moons ago) it was quite popular (for some reason) and was taught extensively. It was also useful to know when working with non OO languages such as VB6, but with OO languages I dont use it a lot, simply because I don't need to. So please, please stop the useless bantering with the staff of Dream.In.Code (who are here only to help others by the way), you thread was moved to the appropriate forum, bottom line