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Re: can girls programme, what do the girls and boys think!

Posted 28 January 2009 - 04:01 PM

When you say "IT" world, does that go for hobbiests and unofficial workers too?
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 04:04 PM

View PostBenignDesign, on 28 Jan, 2009 - 09:15 AM, said:

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View PostOliveOyl3471, on 28 Jan, 2009 - 12:03 AM, said:

You all forgot to mention B9!

... what about him?


He gets a tad touchy

You do have a picture of a boy in your signature. Least that's what you said.
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 05:03 PM

View Postskyhawk133, on 26 Jan, 2009 - 02:01 PM, said:

While not a programmer, Danica McKellar (of Wonder Years fame) is a mathematician, and is on quite the crusade to get more girls involved in the math and science fields:

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I always wondered what happened to her. She is hawt!
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 12:12 PM

If they wanted to:
Yes.

Now - ie: when being brainwashes by the horrible, faked crap they call music : Jonas Brothers, Tokio Hotel, Pussycat Dolls, ... and "fashion" and television: no.

*cough* Besides, the end-result of that is mostly completely useless and should get shot.. Or drowned, there'se an environment-friendly solution!
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 12:37 PM

Of course we can program and as of today thanks to the "Ledbetter" signing we will make just as much money as you guys while we do so!

I'll give one of my opinions about why there are so few of us in the field. When I first started classes (I think it was ITE115 Intro to Computer Concepts) there were probably close to ten other girls in there besides me. The guys outnumbered us but not by much! Sadly though, the teacher felt more comfortable helping the guys than the girls and alot of em fell behind. It was really something I noticed as I went along in all the courses. Most of the teachers had a hard time dealing with the female students. I finally gave up asking questions and just started re reading everything and joining communities like this one. If I wouldn't have been proactive in my learning I would have too been LOST from day one. That is something that really can ruin you too, falling behind in Intro to Computer Concepts. That one class became a foundation to my understanding of all of it.

I think we are much sexier programming too ;)

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 01:37 PM

That chick is definitely not programming in that picture. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Exhibit A: a woman not programming. I move to dismiss absynthe's case.
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 01:45 PM

Sustained...
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 04:59 PM

I disagree...that's exactly the way I look everyday while I am coding :)
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 05:11 PM

Then you should really get your eyes checked. ;)
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Re: can girls programme, what do the girls and boys think!

Posted 29 January 2009 - 05:19 PM

View Postabsynthe, on 29 Jan, 2009 - 11:37 AM, said:

Sadly though, the teacher felt more comfortable helping the guys than the girls and alot of em fell behind. It was really something I noticed as I went along in all the courses. Most of the teachers had a hard time dealing with the female students.


This is because most of the guys are nerds with no lives, girlfriends or wives. It's almost like a young adolescent who can't get the nerve up to ask out a hot older girl. They are just nervous around you all b/c they don't have social skills. Trust me, I've seen this in my IT classes in high school.
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 09:23 PM

This is such a great thread. Absynthe turned Asian and all IT teachers are sweaty palm adolescents with no social skills.
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 11:02 PM

I've never worked in a group where there were more than one, or two women doing actual programming and doing it well. Once company I worked with a few years ago had a couple of women BAs who were former programmers. Where I work now there are two women programmers (both foreign guest workers) who are fairly good. There are several women who work in web design doing HTML, CSS (using GUI tools of course), and that kind of thing. One of the girls told me she was trying to learn Javascript. I'm not saying there aren't good women programmers, but they must be scarce because I have yet to meet any that I would consider peers. I'm in the CS masters program with a girl who is smart and cute, but (by her own admission) can't program to save her life. I don't think it's a professors fault. I also don't think that men are smarter than women. I just think that men and women are wired differently and thus are interested in different things. As with everything there are exceptions, but on the whole I think that's the case.
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 11:29 PM

View Postabsynthe, on 29 Jan, 2009 - 05:59 PM, said:

I disagree...that's exactly the way I look everyday while I am coding :)

& here is her code to prove it....


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My cat does the same thing.
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Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:32 AM

I believe that anyone can master any skill as long as they spend the time and effort needed to master a skill. Some people will take longer or can do it faster, but nearly any individual skill can be learned by anyone.

It is what people spend all their time doing that they get good at. People tend to gravitate towards doing what they like, and they tend to like to do what they are good at. So skills tend to be self reinforcing.

And of course, we tend to do things that make us more socially acceptable to others. So if someone feels self-conscious about appearing to be a geek or a nerd, they will avoid those situations.
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Posted 30 January 2009 - 07:35 AM

View PostProgrammist, on 29 Jan, 2009 - 11:02 PM, said:

... I just think that men and women are wired differently and thus are interested in different things ...


I can tell you that you're dead wrong. As time goes on and societies move away from the old ideas of gender roles, it can be seen that anyone can be interested in anything. The complete human being does all they see fit, not as they are expected to. I'm starting to see more and more female programmers.

I've known about this one disgusting young man who speaks up in class at the female professors as though they don't know what they're talking about (he sits quite intently and silently for male professors). I always have a harsh attitude at the very moment I encounter any of these old ideas that women can't do some things. It ends past the whole reason why there even is two genders (reproducing), past the physical part of it it really doesn't matter. And even then, you've got homosexual people- even the elementary desire to be with the opposite gender can be different than expected.
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