[thehat]

That's a lot of scrollbars in one place!!

Here's one of my early ones: linky. Sadly, things haven't got much better since then. I know my place, and it's not Photoshop

This post has been edited by thehat: 02 April 2009 - 06:32 AM

[BlakeJustBlake]

My first web site

What I'm working on now

Granted I was 12 when I was working on the first web site.

[gabehabe]

@BlakeJustBlake:
http://www.angelfire...teboarders/chat

[101101]

You must look deep within and look at the true designer with in.

What you have to do is truly understand the language and understand what must be done so your idea comes out as you thought of it.

[gabehabe]

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You must look deep within and look at the true designer with in.

Use the force, Sam!

[c0mrade]

All these comments about designers coding.....

If your a designer, why do you "code" at all? Or when you guys say you're designers do you really mean web developers?

[sam_benne]

gabehabe, on 7 Apr, 2009 - 10:27 AM, said:

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You must look deep within and look at the true designer with in.

Use the force, Sam!

Tried using the forks that didn't work.

[dsherohman]

c0mrade, on 7 Apr, 2009 - 08:07 PM, said:

All these comments about designers coding.....

If your a designer, why do you "code" at all? Or when you guys say you're designers do you really mean web developers?

That is a significant terminology issue, yeah.

When I say "I develop web applications", I mean "I write back-end software, such as frameworks, that websites can be built on top of", but most people seem to hear "I'm a web designer who can make pages that talk to a database." When I then go on to explain that, no, you really don't want me to design the appearance of your site unless you're trying to get something that looks like it just stepped out of 1993, that just produces very confused "how can you be a designer who doesn't design?"-type looks.

We really need some good, commonly-understood terms for differentiating between people who figure out what websites should look like (graphic design); people who put together the HTML/CSS to make the websites look that way; people who decide what websites should do (functional design); people who build appearance-agnostic functionality to drive websites; and people who do various combinations of those three things. But I suppose that will first require teaching the people writing the checks that, yes, there are parts of a website beyond just what you see on your screen, since that's probably why most of them reflexively associate any type of web-related work with graphic design.

[c0mrade]

dsherohman said:

there are parts of a website beyond just what you see on your screen, since that's probably why most of them reflexively associate any type of web-related work with graphic design.

haha, yeah my clients from my freelance work generally have no clue what I do -- they just know that I "make it work".


I think the roles of graphic designer and web developer have become blurred.. I don't really know why. Here is my idea of the main roles of web application development.

- Graphic Designer: Creates the graphics and layout of the site. Generally delivers an image of what the site will look like.
- Web Developer: Works with the graphic designer and software developer to create the actual web site. Writes HTML and CSS to implement the graphic designers site image, writes some code to talk to the back end software.
- Software Developer: Writes the business code to perform all the real work.

So the thing that gets me is why so many people seem to be both graphic designer and web developer.

They are two very different roles. I know there are people who may be talented at both, but surely not this many! Graphic design is about art, creativity, and thinking outside of the box. Web development is about knowing browser quirks, churning out html, and writing code.

Maybe I should start another thread for this... lol

[Winstinology]

As long as you don't do as bad as this person did.

Seriously - This might just be the absolute worst website I have ever come across.

[sam_benne]

That is bad. I was thinking of doing a site that people can add sites that are really bad so that people can learn not what to do. Was thinking because people get confused on the difference between web developers and web designers it cold actually have articles on what they are. If you think this is a good idea then please speak up and enough responses and I will create it but will need a web designer though lol.

[gabehabe]

Winstinology, on 8 Apr, 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

As long as you don't do as bad as this person did.

Seriously - This might just be the absolute worst website I have ever come across.

How did you even find that?! Did you make it?

[sam_benne]

I found some bad sites. Looked through my hard drive.

[firebolt]

gabehabe, on 9 Apr, 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Winstinology, on 8 Apr, 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

As long as you don't do as bad as this person did.

Seriously - This might just be the absolute worst website I have ever come across.

How did you even find that?! Did you make it?

*cough* That is a legendary site.


If you want bad, look here.
http://www.havenworks.com/


and here http://dlux.org.au/

[raziel_]

firebolt, on 12 May, 2009 - 03:58 AM, said:

gabehabe, on 9 Apr, 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Winstinology, on 8 Apr, 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

As long as you don't do as bad as this person did.

Seriously - This might just be the absolute worst website I have ever come across.

How did you even find that?! Did you make it?

*cough* That is a legendary site.


If you want bad, look here.
http://www.havenworks.com/

omfg my eyes