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  1. In Topic: New Year's resolution?

    Posted 1 Jan 2013

    View Postjon.kiparsky, on 02 January 2013 - 04:30 AM, said:

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    The reality is that if human births were to stop today, we would be in big, big trouble.


    Is this a danger that we see looming before us? Quick, ZeroCool, fuck faster! The collapse of the species is impending!

    Come on, I've always insisted that human beings are basically sensible underneath everything. Don't prove me wrong.

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    And as far as the idea of myself caring not for the work I am doing, but simply only the monetary rewards, nothing could be further from the truth. I am pursuing degrees in physics and computer science so I can do my small part to help advance the understanding of the universe by the only entity we know for certain in capable of such an amazing task.


    "I'll do anything as long as it's in tech and makes a lot of money". Are you under the misapprehension that the tech sector has anything to do with making the world a better place? Oh, dear boy, you're in for a terrible disappointment. You've heard of FaceBook? Apple? Instagram? That's the tech sector. That's where you make the gobs of boodle that you're looking for - convincing shallow dipshits that they're somehow special because they use your product or service, and turning the most amazing product of the human imagination to the service of the mad men of mammon.

    Come on, please try to show some awareness of the world you live in. The people you want to work for are not advancing the understanding the universe. They're a bunch of spoiled children who put their nickels in the slots and made a lucky pull and now spend their time congratulating themselves for their perspicuity.


    I agree, your advice of not having children is untenable. I'm glad you dropped that.

    To clarify, I don't want to work for anyone. I want to conduct research, discover new truths, and share them with the world using math and physics. The tech sector is a day job financially enabling me to pursue that in a way that I find intellectually challenging and stimulating. If you think that dreams come free and a meaningful life with no hangups or compromises is just going to be handed to someone without having to sacrifice for it, I think the lack of awareness is more in your corner.
  2. In Topic: New Year's resolution?

    Posted 1 Jan 2013

    View Postjon.kiparsky, on 02 January 2013 - 03:33 AM, said:

    Well, it seems you've got the idea that I was trying to communicate - otherwise it wouldn't have stung quite so much, which it evidently did. So I think my approach was somewhat effective.


    So, just out of curiousity - you've got the Dale Carnegie attitude (or you're trying) and the Brady Bunch fantasy of what your life ought to be, so I gotta ask: does your girlfriend live in a lamp?


    You did make some valid and relevant points but in a way that was much more abrasive than necessary, in my opinion. And, more ruefully, your critique, in my opinion, didn't really apply to the person at which they were aimed (me).

    The reality is that if human births were to stop today, we would be in big, big trouble. The idea that we need a zero/greatly reduced birth rate sounds pleasing to extremists, but if you did a little snooping around you would find that experts contend that it would lead to economic collapse, an aging population with no younger population to contribute resources, and a host of other problems. While your stance may work in theory, academics in the economic and social fields consider your stance as one with disastrous practical results.

    While we can all certainly agree that consumerism and materialism is wreaking havoc on our planet and the people inhabiting it, your stance does not imply one that leaves the human race better off, but rather much worse off. Which was the whole point, correct?

    And as far as the idea of myself caring not for the work I am doing, but simply only the monetary rewards, nothing could be further from the truth. I am pursuing degrees in physics and computer science so I can do my small part to help advance the understanding of the universe by the only entity we know for certain in capable of such an amazing task.

    However, life, as you undoubtedly have often found in your own experience, is full of compromises. While this fanciful dream of science gets itself off the ground, I have student loans, rent, and food to pay for. And if my fanciful dream never amounts to anything more than a hobby, then a job as a high powered, high paid, technical consultant or executive who jumps at the chance to get his hands dirty leaves me with a pretty reliable way to afford my children the opportunity to make their dreams a reality without having to make the same compromises I regrettably have.

    If that makes me a parasite, then I say we need more parasites in this world.

    Dale Carnegie just provided me with an interesting perspective on the way in which we interact with people and motivate them to help us achieve our own goals, which I found very applicable to the day job that so dutifully keeps my rent paid and my lights on. I would not necessarily characterize myself as having "got the Dale Carnegie attitude."

    View Postmacosxnerd101, on 02 January 2013 - 03:36 AM, said:

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    so I gotta ask: does your girlfriend live in a lamp?

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    And for the record, if my girlfriend was Barbara Eden circa 1965, I wouldn't be making posts in the lounge. I'd be in my bed making sweet, sweet, baby batter smothered love.
  3. In Topic: New Year's resolution?

    Posted 1 Jan 2013

    View Postatraub, on 02 January 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

    View PostZero Cool, on 01 January 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

    View Postjon.kiparsky, on 01 January 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

    View PostZero Cool, on 31 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

    I would like to have a big family and afford all the opportunities I can for them so the higher I can advance my career (and salary, obviously) while staying within the confines of the science and technology field, the more successful I will consider my career.


    Well, what a depressing thought to start the new year on.

    "I want to make a lot of little parasites to fuck the world even harder, so I don't care what I do as long as I make lots of money".

    The horrible thing is, you really are what humanity is. So we're fucked.
    And it doesn't even occur to you that as long as there are people like you in the world, bringing a kid into the world is about the worst thing you can possibly do for them. Their life will be absolute shit, because people like you are going to be shaping it by decisions like this.


    You know what's a productive and fulfilling way to spend the precious little time we have on this earth? Arguing and name-calling on the internet.

    That's how you really make a difference.

    Your response to someone telling you that your behavior is making the world a worse place is that you don't like name-calling? Well played, sir.

    EDIT:
    So, remember kids, it doesn't matter what you believe, just so long as you communicate those beliefs in ways that won't offend anyone.


    Aaaaand we've come full circle. Facepalm.

    'I attack and berate people I know very little about, and somehow they decide to not continue the conversation. I thought for sure acting like an angry 13 year old would persuade them to my way of thinking.'

    I think it's time to wake up and realize that how you say something can be just as important as what it is you are saying. If you are actually trying to convey ideas, that is. If it's just about patting yourself on the back for having such an amazing understanding of the universe (however inaccurate), then job well done.
  4. In Topic: New Year's resolution?

    Posted 1 Jan 2013

    View Postjon.kiparsky, on 01 January 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

    View PostZero Cool, on 31 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

    I would like to have a big family and afford all the opportunities I can for them so the higher I can advance my career (and salary, obviously) while staying within the confines of the science and technology field, the more successful I will consider my career.


    Well, what a depressing thought to start the new year on.

    "I want to make a lot of little parasites to fuck the world even harder, so I don't care what I do as long as I make lots of money".

    The horrible thing is, you really are what humanity is. So we're fucked.
    And it doesn't even occur to you that as long as there are people like you in the world, bringing a kid into the world is about the worst thing you can possibly do for them. Their life will be absolute shit, because people like you are going to be shaping it by decisions like this.


    You know what's a productive and fulfilling way to spend the precious little time we have on this earth? Arguing and name-calling on the internet.

    That's how you really make a difference.
  5. In Topic: New Year's resolution?

    Posted 31 Dec 2012

    View Postmacosxnerd101, on 31 December 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

    View PostZero Cool, on 31 December 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

    Which might work well for someone who wants to remain as a code monkey their entire life. But for someone who desires to move up in business (i.e. CTO, CIO), accrue a large enough salary to support a family,

    You talk as if programmers make minimum wage. Generally speaking, they don't. Have you done any research on salaries in your area before making such assertions?


    Sorry, Mac, I did not mean to imply that salaries for programmers are not very competitive and easy to make a living and raise a family off of. I can easily see how you got that from what I said. I think this board is fully stocked with examples to the contrary.

    I think the point I was trying to make is that the average CTO or CIO position will typically make more (and in some cases, much more) than someone that stops their career development as programmer III or something similar.

    I would like to have a big family and afford all the opportunities I can for them so the higher I can advance my career (and salary, obviously) while staying within the confines of the science and technology field, the more successful I will consider my career.

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