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  1. In Topic: Salary of a Computer Science graduate

    Posted 3 Oct 2012

    View Postwordswords, on 03 October 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

    Software engineer, programmer, developer and software analyst and software designer are terms that are used interchangeably and the actual job content depends on the organisation that you're working for.

    I notice the OP has not revealed which country he is in, let alone which area he is in, so all wage estimates are out. One way you can see how much a beginning developer can expect, is looking at the developer job adverts in your local area. If there are none, then you better think about moving to another area. Ideally you will want a junior/trainee/graduate developer position, but those are few and far between, so just look at anything that doesn't require X years of commercial experience.

    I live in New York state and about an hour's drive to New York City.
  2. In Topic: Salary of a Computer Science graduate

    Posted 24 Sep 2012

    View PostNecroWinter, on 24 September 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

    yeah if you want good money starting out, learn RPG IV and COBOL. Nobody wants those jobs, and youll see why quickly.


    What companies even use RPG IV and COBOL and why would they choose to stick with those languages?

    View PostOler1s, on 23 September 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

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    For a computer science graduate, what sort of careers do they go into?
    The most obvious is actual software development. That's developing the actual program. CS itself is theory, so jumping over to a research related role is also possible. There are hard problems out there in search of solutions. There are related support roles you could jump to, like system administration, etc.

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    Which of these careers contribute most to the high starting pay for fresh graduates?
    So, to clarify, a variety of terms get thrown for the same positions, so don't try to delineate roles specifically. You can pretty much ignore the terms.

    In general, if you're shooting for money, you're best off finding some specialized undersupplied niche, usually involving proprietary or unpopular platforms, or lots of specialized knowledge, and consulting or working for some company with big pockets. Example, COBOL programming. Usually brought up as a joke, but it pays...

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    Long hours and work in the weekend is common for computer science major graduates.
    It depends on where you work. On my team, devs do not work weekends, and working too late or weekends without good cause is viewed negatively.

    It depends heavily on company and team culture, and the variance over companies and even teams within a single company spans the entire scale.

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    What is the difference between designing software and coding it?
    You shouldn't really be splitting apart the two. When they do get split apart, you get "architects", which are often overpaid people who come up with ideas that developers ignore. Just coding without thinking about design means you are a code monkey. This is an outsourced job, for lowest cost, because really, if all you advertise is hitting keys on a keyboard, you aren't going to command good pay.


    Thanks for this information. From what I gather, you say a company wants a strong coder who can also think about the code and make it efficient and well designed. So that is perhaps what seperates a designer from a person who simply programs.

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    View Postj814wong, on 23 September 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

    View PostNecroWinter, on 23 September 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

    around here, a lot of people are starting out at like 30k a year. typically, cs majors are programmers, some are S.E.

    designing software, from what i hear gives more money, as opposed to coding it.


    What is the difference between designing software and coding it?

    What is teh difference between a software engineer, computer programmer, and a software developer?

    And what of those $60k starting salaries I read of?


    the way I think of it is, when you design it, you're the one making the documentation, coming up with ideas etc
    the person coding the software is the person who actually makes it happen

    software engineers do documentation, they often meet with clients to specify needs, come up with the ideas etc
    programmers are the ones who do the coding, the true labor if you will

    The term software developer is the same as computer programmer in my book.

    those 60k (starting) salaries you heard of are really not accurate, especially in this economy. You might get 60k in NYC or LA, but thats not much in those places.


    I'm guessing Wall Street jobs are the only ones that pay that much then? So much for that really high demand and salary, no?
  3. In Topic: Salary of a Computer Science graduate

    Posted 23 Sep 2012

    View PostNecroWinter, on 23 September 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

    around here, a lot of people are starting out at like 30k a year. typically, cs majors are programmers, some are S.E.

    designing software, from what i hear gives more money, as opposed to coding it.


    What is the difference between designing software and coding it?

    What is teh difference between a software engineer, computer programmer, and a software developer?

    And what of those $60k starting salaries I read of?
  4. In Topic: Start studying CompSci to get a head start before college and tips?

    Posted 23 Sep 2012

    I'm taking AP BC Calculus this year as a senior in HS. Previous years, I've taken PreCalculus, Trigonometry, and Geometry. I've also taken a mathematics research class that explored topics that are not generally taught in the curriculum.

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