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I'VE BEEN FLIRTING WITH THE 80 HOUR WORK WEEK FOR QUITE SOME TIME AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART BELOW:
https://ibb.co/ieMERb
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE WEEK WHERE I ACTUALLY DO IT!!! IN THE INTERESTS OF FULL DISCLOSURE I DO TAKE DRUGS: MODANIFIL. IT'S A GREAT DRUG AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. THE ARMY GIVES IT TO PILOTS SO THAT THEY DON'T SLEEP ON THE JOB. I WAS INSPIRED BY THE STORY OF PAUL ERDOS TO TAKE THEM. WHEN I LEARNED THAT HE STARTED TAKING RITALIN IN HIS 60S IN HIS PRODUCTIVITY INCREASED BY 33% I SAID TO MYSELF: HEY, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK!!! I THEN DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT MODANIFIL WAS THE BEST DRUG ON THE MARKET SO AS TO BOOST CONCENTRATION. BEFORE TAKING MODANIFIL I AVERAGED ABOUT 45 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK BUT IT EVENTUALLY SLUMPED TO JUST 32!!! WHEN I SAY WORK WHAT I MEAN IS PAID EMPLOYMENT, IN A COLLEGE CLASSROOM, CODING OR WRITING PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE I AM AFTER ALL MOSTLY A PHILOSOPHER, JUST ONE THAT CODES A LOT!!! LAST WEEK I CODED FOR 69 HOURS SINCE I WORK AT A HOTEL FOR 6 HOURS PER WEEK, WELL, 24 ACTUALLY, BUT ONLY 6 OF THOSE HOURS ARE SPENT ON ACTUALLY RUNNING THE HOTEL.
https://ibb.co/ieMERb
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE WEEK WHERE I ACTUALLY DO IT!!! IN THE INTERESTS OF FULL DISCLOSURE I DO TAKE DRUGS: MODANIFIL. IT'S A GREAT DRUG AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. THE ARMY GIVES IT TO PILOTS SO THAT THEY DON'T SLEEP ON THE JOB. I WAS INSPIRED BY THE STORY OF PAUL ERDOS TO TAKE THEM. WHEN I LEARNED THAT HE STARTED TAKING RITALIN IN HIS 60S IN HIS PRODUCTIVITY INCREASED BY 33% I SAID TO MYSELF: HEY, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK!!! I THEN DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT MODANIFIL WAS THE BEST DRUG ON THE MARKET SO AS TO BOOST CONCENTRATION. BEFORE TAKING MODANIFIL I AVERAGED ABOUT 45 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK BUT IT EVENTUALLY SLUMPED TO JUST 32!!! WHEN I SAY WORK WHAT I MEAN IS PAID EMPLOYMENT, IN A COLLEGE CLASSROOM, CODING OR WRITING PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE I AM AFTER ALL MOSTLY A PHILOSOPHER, JUST ONE THAT CODES A LOT!!! LAST WEEK I CODED FOR 69 HOURS SINCE I WORK AT A HOTEL FOR 6 HOURS PER WEEK, WELL, 24 ACTUALLY, BUT ONLY 6 OF THOSE HOURS ARE SPENT ON ACTUALLY RUNNING THE HOTEL.
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modi123_1
02 January 2018 - 07:52 AM
So a few things.
Capslocks are cool?
Second - one shouldn't be that super excited for an 80 hour work week.
Third - really? You are taking non prescribed meds to do what? Over come some sort of motivational hump? Eesh.
Lastly you may want to reconfigure your view. Typically 'work week' is paid work. So if you are only working 6 hours a week at some gig then the rest of the time is self discovery, learning, etc.
I will express again you should not.. *NOT* be taking random, not prescribed, meds to boost what ever you think you are boosting. You are inviting a host of potential problems some more long term than others.
Capslocks are cool?
Second - one shouldn't be that super excited for an 80 hour work week.
Third - really? You are taking non prescribed meds to do what? Over come some sort of motivational hump? Eesh.
Lastly you may want to reconfigure your view. Typically 'work week' is paid work. So if you are only working 6 hours a week at some gig then the rest of the time is self discovery, learning, etc.
I will express again you should not.. *NOT* be taking random, not prescribed, meds to boost what ever you think you are boosting. You are inviting a host of potential problems some more long term than others.
jon.kiparsky
02 January 2018 - 10:17 AM
Sometimes when people ask me what I wrote my thesis on, I say "ephedrine, mostly". It's sort of a joke, funny haha, but I did have a friend who offered me a supply of useful little pills to "help me concentrate", and there was a week when I thought, what the hell, let's give this a try.
I can tell you, that week was a dead loss. It sure feels like you're getting LOTS OF STUFF DONE when you're in that zone, but in actual fact, you're just spinning wheels really fast without traction. You go back later and you look at what you produced, and it's utter bollocks. I can understand a pilot using this to keep them alert and looking at the controls, but it's not a way to produce useful, original and creative work, and of course the long-term effects of taking lots of speed are pretty ugly. If you don't believe me, get a copy of Philip K. Dick's "The Zap Gun" and read it. That's a novel that was produced in three days, on lots of speed. You want your philosophy to read like that? I don't think you do.
I really recommend that you cut off this experiment and try to find something sustainable. A life that includes regular exercise and sufficient sleep should give you enough awake time to get your paid work done and still have plenty of time for the stuff that drives you (philosophy, programming, whatever you like to do). By "regular exercise", I just mean half an hour a day of in-home routines, the sort of stuff you can do on your way from bed to the shower. A bit of yoga, some pushups and situps and maybe swing the kettlebells around, that sort of thing. If you get that into your daily routine, it'll probably produce a lot of the effect you're trying to get from pills, in terms of alertness and concentration and maybe improved mood as well. By "sufficient sleep", I mean enough sleep that you wake up feeling rested - might be eight hours, might be six, might be ten, it's a personal thing, it depends on your metabolism, but shorting yourself on sleep will not help you be more productive in the long run, and trying to make it up with pills is pretty well guaranteed to lead to bad effects.
I can tell you, that week was a dead loss. It sure feels like you're getting LOTS OF STUFF DONE when you're in that zone, but in actual fact, you're just spinning wheels really fast without traction. You go back later and you look at what you produced, and it's utter bollocks. I can understand a pilot using this to keep them alert and looking at the controls, but it's not a way to produce useful, original and creative work, and of course the long-term effects of taking lots of speed are pretty ugly. If you don't believe me, get a copy of Philip K. Dick's "The Zap Gun" and read it. That's a novel that was produced in three days, on lots of speed. You want your philosophy to read like that? I don't think you do.
I really recommend that you cut off this experiment and try to find something sustainable. A life that includes regular exercise and sufficient sleep should give you enough awake time to get your paid work done and still have plenty of time for the stuff that drives you (philosophy, programming, whatever you like to do). By "regular exercise", I just mean half an hour a day of in-home routines, the sort of stuff you can do on your way from bed to the shower. A bit of yoga, some pushups and situps and maybe swing the kettlebells around, that sort of thing. If you get that into your daily routine, it'll probably produce a lot of the effect you're trying to get from pills, in terms of alertness and concentration and maybe improved mood as well. By "sufficient sleep", I mean enough sleep that you wake up feeling rested - might be eight hours, might be six, might be ten, it's a personal thing, it depends on your metabolism, but shorting yourself on sleep will not help you be more productive in the long run, and trying to make it up with pills is pretty well guaranteed to lead to bad effects.
bobsmith76
02 January 2018 - 03:34 PMmodi123_1, on 02 January 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:
So a few things.
Capslocks are cool?
Second - one shouldn't be that super excited for an 80 hour work week.
Third - really? You are taking non prescribed meds to do what? Over come some sort of motivational hump? Eesh.
Lastly you may want to reconfigure your view. Typically 'work week' is paid work. So if you are only working 6 hours a week at some gig then the rest of the time is self discovery, learning, etc.
I will express again you should not.. *NOT* be taking random, not prescribed, meds to boost what ever you think you are boosting. You are inviting a host of potential problems some more long term than others.
Capslocks are cool?
Second - one shouldn't be that super excited for an 80 hour work week.
Third - really? You are taking non prescribed meds to do what? Over come some sort of motivational hump? Eesh.
Lastly you may want to reconfigure your view. Typically 'work week' is paid work. So if you are only working 6 hours a week at some gig then the rest of the time is self discovery, learning, etc.
I will express again you should not.. *NOT* be taking random, not prescribed, meds to boost what ever you think you are boosting. You are inviting a host of potential problems some more long term than others.
Actually, they are prescribed meds and second I plan on taking them for the rest of my life. Now let's see if there are some contradictions in your views. First, this medication is non addictive and does not produce tolerance. I've gone without the meds for 2 weeks without any problems, but I plan on taking them every day for the rest of my life so I don't care about addiction. Second, what do you think coffee is? By drinking 2 cups of coffee a day you are essentially doing what I am doing just using a less effective drug. Modanifil has about half the power of two cups of coffee but whereas the concentration boost you get from 2 cups of coffee lasts about an hour, 75 mg of modanifil lasts about 8 hours.
modi123_1
02 January 2018 - 06:26 PM
Really? Prescribed by an actual doctor? I was under the impression Modafinil was for sleep disorders and narcolepsy. If that's the case then by all means bring yourself to a level you find normal, but the way you were crowing about your gleeful trip to dependency made it sound like you were already 'ok' and were using this as a booster of some form. Just from the response alone I am feeling it is the later more than the former.
As it is, I am not certain what 'contradictions' I had made of statements that opposed each other, but maybe I am not seeing the definition clearly.
Dependency; arms wide open.
In the end my position is still solid, and even more so with agreement with jon - especially after your espoused plan to take some crutch pill in the hopes to squeezing more.. what ever in.. be it actual paycheck work, self directed learning, or what have you. It seems absurd one would fall ass forwards into this just to get in more 'work' while risking long term side effects, dependency, tolerance, massively unbalanced life style, and so forth.
So it goes. I said my piece, and dipping out of this.
As it is, I am not certain what 'contradictions' I had made of statements that opposed each other, but maybe I am not seeing the definition clearly.
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but I plan on taking them every day for the rest of my life so I don't care about addiction.
Dependency; arms wide open.
In the end my position is still solid, and even more so with agreement with jon - especially after your espoused plan to take some crutch pill in the hopes to squeezing more.. what ever in.. be it actual paycheck work, self directed learning, or what have you. It seems absurd one would fall ass forwards into this just to get in more 'work' while risking long term side effects, dependency, tolerance, massively unbalanced life style, and so forth.
So it goes. I said my piece, and dipping out of this.
bobsmith76
03 January 2018 - 01:15 AMjon.kiparsky, on 02 January 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:
Sometimes when people ask me what I wrote my thesis on, I say "ephedrine, mostly". It's sort of a joke, funny haha, but I did have a friend who offered me a supply of useful little pills to "help me concentrate", and there was a week when I thought, what the hell, let's give this a try.
I can tell you, that week was a dead loss. It sure feels like you're getting LOTS OF STUFF DONE when you're in that zone, but in actual fact, you're just spinning wheels really fast without traction.
I can tell you, that week was a dead loss. It sure feels like you're getting LOTS OF STUFF DONE when you're in that zone, but in actual fact, you're just spinning wheels really fast without traction.
Not all drugs are the same. Yea, there are drugs that make you feel like you're smart when you're actually not. I've heard people say such things about marijuana, acid and PCP but I've never taken them. Second, modanifil does not increase the ratio of ah-ha moments per hour, it just enables you to put in more time at the desk and work slightly faster while you're at the desk. Third, it's a lot like coffee just packs half the punch but lasts 10 times as long. Do you feel like you're getting lots of stuff done while high on coffee but your wheels are just spinning? I don't think so.
Fourth, writing code is not like writing poetry. When you write poetry you can dupe yourself into believing that it's really good when it in fact isn't. With code, it either works or it doesn't and it's rather obvious when code does not work because it is broken. I can assure you that taking modanifil is helping me write excellent code. Again, it does not increase the ah-ha moments but when you're thinking about your code 12 hours a day rather than 6 hours a day, you're more familiar with it and forget the important aspects of it less.
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If you don't believe me, get a copy of Philip K. Dick's "The Zap Gun" and read it. That's a novel that was produced in three days, on lots of speed. You want your philosophy to read like that? I don't think you do.
I don't write philosophy like that. I'm trying to turn it into a calculable discipline. It's pretty obvious when a calculator works and when it doesn't.
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A life that includes regular exercise and sufficient sleep should give you enough awake time to get your paid work done and still have plenty of time for the stuff that drives you (philosophy, programming, whatever you like to do). By "regular exercise", I just mean half an hour a day of in-home routines, the sort of stuff you can do on your way from bed to the shower. A bit of yoga, some pushups and situps and maybe swing the kettlebells around, that sort of thing.
As far as exercise and meditation I tried that route. My productivity took a real nose dive in mid 2016. So from the 46th week in 2016 until the 12th week in 2017 I tripled the amount I worked out. I worked out on average 3 hours per week. And meditated an average of 5.3 hours per week. My productivity was a meagre 34 hours. From the 33rd week in 2016 until the 45th week I worked out on average 1 hour per week and meditated on average 3.9 hours per week and my productivity was at 41 hours. So I don't see any correlation between exercise and mental labor. I would post some charts on this but it's been a long time since I used stacked charts in Excel, so I can't do it for now.
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